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From what I've heard, files transferred over using mp3fm cannot be "read" by SS, and vice versa. So they are incompatible.

Perhaps someone can correct me if I'm wrong - since I've only ever used SS for 10 minutes before uninstalling it from my machine...!

Cheers

N

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From what I've heard, files transferred over using mp3fm cannot be "read" by SS, and vice versa. So they are incompatible.

Perhaps someone can correct me if I'm wrong - since I've only ever used SS for 10 minutes before uninstalling it from my machine...!

Cheers

N

Yes as soon i did know that mp3fm for my player worked, i also uninstalled it. But for testing the files for otiasj i installed it again.

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Hello everyone!

Ok I will try to find the crash problem and make a fix as soon as I can,

I know for a fact that once you start using connect player, your db can not be read by sonicstage.

So I won't be looking very far on the compatibility problems between ml_sony and cp or ss

Only it would be nice to know why it doesn't work with GYM, I hope Xipse will have some time to take a look...

Auke : About using winamp from the device, I have been thinking about that for some time know...

With hdd device it should work because you can just copy your winamp directory and use it from the player.

For memory device the transfert rate is so low that I am not sure it would work...

Plus I use wombat share : it's a program that allow you to play your own music accross internet,

so It would be like: plug your device on any computer and you would have access to your music on winamp as if your were on your own computer... B)

I have to find some time to resume work on wombat share to add the download feature :-(

Karl : Personally I use visual studio 6,

I think it is incompatible with 2005, I tried once but got so many errors that I dropped it :-P

You probably don't need anything else but you might have to add the subdirectorys to your library folders in VS

(the ones with winamp files)

Let me know if you succeed I would gladly try again vs2005

Edit:

Ok found the problem...

There is no track tag on those files....

I will have to figure out another way of getting the track number :-(

Edited by otiasj

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From what I've heard, files transferred over using mp3fm cannot be "read" by SS, and vice versa. So they are incompatible.

Perhaps someone can correct me if I'm wrong - since I've only ever used SS for 10 minutes before uninstalling it from my machine...!

NickJeff ,Files transferred using M3FM can be seen via SonincStage ..or Vise versa .

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Ok I have problem...

When using sonic stage or ml_sony to send a file the track number is added as a tag to the oma files.

However it doesnt seem to be the case with MP3fm :sad:

If a nh5 user could confirm this please... :

- Try to send the second half of an album for exemple tracks 5 to 9 of the same album.

- disconnect the player (try the tracks)

- reconnect send the first half of an album ex : tracks 1 to 4

- disconnect then browse to the album

- check with the tracks name if the order is 1..4 then 5..9

or if it is 5..9 then 1..4

thank you for the help

edit:

I found another "fun" stuff about sonicstage :

-I send 3 files from an album

-I create a playlist in sonicstage with the 3 songs

-I transfer the playlist to the player

-I get 6 songs on the player instead of 3 + 1 playlist... talk about lame software :sad:

I will try to implement something different ...

Edited by otiasj

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Otiasj,

The track number doesn't seem to be a set thing in the db, since it changes depending on what you are playing at the time.

To explain -

When I use Album view on the device, and choose, say, the album "Guero" by Beck, the track number displayed for the tracks are relative to how many songs are in that album. So the song E-Pro would show 1/11.

If I now choose Track view (which shows all tracks on the device in alphabetical order) and then play E-Pro again, the track number has changed to something like 347/4128.

So the track number is dynamic on the playing context.

So perhaps you don't need to get a track number, you need to see in Winamp what the user is playing in the current playlist, and calculate the track number from that.

Cheers

Edited by nickzeff

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I don't think the "correct" track number is used on the device.

meaning if you send a few songs from an album, then the rest of it the order will be the order in which you sent the tracks...

It's kind of stupid because if you start by sending a playlist then send a whole album the track order will be wrong...

So in winamp I have 2 choices :

-read the track tag from the file, in this case ml_sony won't be fully compatible with mp3fm,

-create the track number = track sent order

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Hi Otiasj,

I tried following:

First I send a file from an album with track nr 2

Then pressed apply

Second I send from the same album track nr 1

Then pressed apply

After I unplugged the device and went into the album mode I saw the follwing sequence order:

Track 2

Track 1

So as you already described, the trach order of an album is the order in which they were send!

EDIT:

I tried the same with SonicStage and this program is sending the track nr to the device. Means that sequence in device is based on Track nr and not on sending order

Edited by bergmarmot

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No Problem.

Another obervation:

I opened MP3FM and deleted the two tracks again. No I dragged and dropped the 2 track from MS Explorer. The track are added at the end of the Album. So, that is what also happens when the WinAMP is transferring the files I assume. Now the interesting part ;). You can drag and drop the transferred file (song) to another position in the album. This means MP3FM is able to rearrange the track nr. So I assume we need a procedure in the WinAMP Plugin that is re-arranging the track nr information of the edited albums based on track nr information available in the WinAMP database.

NOTE: I moved in MP3FM the 1st file (song) in the middle of the album list. Then I opened SonicStage and saw that the same song was not on the Second place ?!? Closing SonicStage and Opening MP3FM again the file was on the position where I dropped it ! Checking the album on the device itself showed me the SonicStage Sequence, meaning that the song was on the second position and not on the position where I dropped it.

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I am planning on doing something smart ^-^

meaning the tracks will be sorted by their track numbers, one draw back is that it probably wont be compatible with anything else than ml_sony.

The order in winamp or the transfert order will not matter.

When selecting an album on the device the tracks will be ordered by track number.

I will probably do the same with all tracks/all genre etc...

next release will take a lot of time :sad:

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Otiasj,

I think you've made the right decision there! Don't compromise by making your plugin backwards compatible with inferior Sony software.

I'm guessing you're going to keep your own Winamp db somewhere containing all the extra information which the device doesn't store?!!

Good luck with it all!

Edited by nickzeff

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Otiasj,

first of all: thanks for the hard work. It is VERY much appreciated. Sonicstage is worthless, and this is proving to be quite the alternative.

Everything is going pretty okay, just one small problem. Every other 256 .OMAs a new folder is created, right? Well, Winamp crashes after the 256th object. I have to remove the non-transferred files from the database, and re-transfer them. The folder (10F0x) is then created without any problems. A possible solution would be to manually create those folders. I'll try that.

Edited by knuckledragger

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It is VERY much appreciated. Sonicstage is worthless, and this is proving to be quite the alternative.

Did you try to use SonicStage ver3.4 ?..I didn`t find SonicStage worthless at all..

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Did you try to use SonicStage ver3.4 ?..I didn`t find SonicStage worthless at all..

Yeah. It crashes when I try to import some mp3s (around 30% of my collection).

Manually creating 10F0x folders seems to work, for now. Just copied 383 files without problems. The weird thing is, I have to restart winamp before I can transfer anything to my NWHD5 again: if I click on "Apply All", the database just vanishes. Maybe a reload database option would be the solution?

Edited by knuckledragger

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Winamp workes from the harddisk of my HD-3. did not check yet if it works also on a other computer.

I have never worked before with the database of winamp so i have a few questions about winamp. I hope that is not a problem.

-I miss a drag and drop function. So drag numbers from my local media to Sony Walkman

-I miss a Genre selection (like itunes). Searched internet a lot for last night, It is a request of a lot of people. But i have not found a solution.

-I dont know how i can select from one artist one album (when i have more albums of that artist). But than whith CTRL button prest. So that i can select a lot of different artist/albums in one time

I have some more questions, but i have to go to my work right now....

Bye :D

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I have found a way to use drag and drop. It is not ideal. but is works. (EDIT: does not work)

you need te plugin: Dynamic Library

With that plugin you can drag & drop to a playlist. That playlist can be transferred to Sony Walkman.

Another benefit of Dynamic Library is that you see the files as if it was in Windows Explorer.

Hmmm i dont know what now happens. My player is behaving very strange. Its creating a database very very slowly. It also does not connecting to my computer anymore. I will try to restart my computer....

-Ok i have disconnect the battery of the NW-3 (switch). The player connected after that whith te computer. There where 7911 03GINF.... .DAT files. I deleted them start over again... The player works again... PFffff :o

-Ok i tried i once again with only 10 songs. The same happens. And now i had 500 .DAT files. A database on the player was not reconized. I deleted all DAT en only kept 04CNTINF.DAT. Put a few songs again on the player the 'normal' way. Its OK again.

HMMM its nice that this plugin is getting made, very very nice. But i think that the way MP3filemanager works is better for me. Only MP3filemanager has 2 annoying things. 1: No alfabettic order 2: You can not select more songs while transferring...

Edited by Auke

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Hello Everyone!

knuckledragger:

Thank you for the bug report, Indeed I have not fully tested sending 256+ files,

Has you said it's a problem of creating the directory. I will correct that asap

Auke:

Drag and drop will be available for the plugin once I find the time ;-) you will be able to drop mp3 or m3u files

--

if you are new to winamp here are the plugins I use:

- Album list ( to get a full screen of albums covers you can select from)

- toaster (to popup the name and cover of the song when playing)

- Wombat share (to listen to music from work)

- leoslyrics(to get the lyrics automaticaly)

Edited by otiasj

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Sorry if I missed this, Otiasj, just a quick one:

What's your build environment used for the source? Visual Studio?

I'd like to have a play! (I'm rubbish so probably won't provide you any useful help, just interested)

Thanks

Jon

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Small update :

The all album features works but create other problems :

So you browse to your album menu and you have "all albums" available.

But now if you go to the all track menu you will get every track listed twice and unfortunately there is nothing I can do about that :sad:

So I am thinking of a new solution I will add an option in the configuration panel, to automatically create an "all album" "all artist" and "all genre" playlist.

Another thing : the albums are now ordered by track number :-)

Finally I am having trouble with the playlists : it works fine on my NWA1000 but there is no playlist option on my NWE505...

Indeed for the NWE505 when creating a playlist on sonicstage, the only thing it does is create a list of songs and rename the album tag to the playlist name.

That is why if you transfert 3 songs then a playlist with the same 3 songs you will get 6 files on the device (for E505 only?)

So for now only limited playlist support...

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The walkmans that support playlists are the HD5 onwards. The HD1,2,3 and flash players up to the 505 to my knowledge just copied over duplicates of the songs and made a new album. This was the main reason I had not bought a walkman, until the HD5! Someone correct me if I am wrong? Great work on the plugin :-).

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Stuge: Are you sure that the files don't get copied twice?

Personnaly I have tried on my E505 and ss3.4

Each time I send a new playlist all the files in the playlist are resent even if the files are already present on the player...

As I said earlier I send 3 files. Then I send a playlist containing the same 3 files. I go to the OMGAUDIO/10F00/ directory, I have 6 files (twice the same files)

On NWA1000 + connectplayer with the same operation I get 3 files + 1 playlist as expected

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