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NW-MS70D on anything other than XP

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Hey guys,

Just managed to score myself an NW-MS70D! Had always been after one but could never afford the $899 AUD price back in uni, matter of fact i still wouldn't be able to justify that much for a dedicated music player. Now to scout around for some 128mb duos, which seem ridiculously priced compared to all these high capacity microSD/SD cards around.

Anyway just wondering if anyone has had any luck with getting it working on anything other than XP?

So far I've tried 8.1 64bit, no luck. Even though it works fine with my N707 & NH1 recorders, after installing the 64bit drivers available here. Tried with the old netMD drivers on here too, but still no luck. Same thing with Windows 7 32bit. So I threw XP SP2 onto an old laptop and it worked straight straight away. Was hoping to not go lower than 7 though, so was hoping someone out there had managed to get it working with 7 or even 8.1 (10 would be a stretch, though i guess if it works on 8.1.....)

Cheers!

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A puzzle indeed. The drivers for this model are included with SonicStage (MS70DUSB.inf/cat) and the only actual driver file referenced is snymsico.dll which I strongly suspect is nothing more than a repository for the needed icons for this device. There's no NetMD required - and all other non-NetMD devices managed by SS don't require drivers at all. You may look in Device Manager and see if it's looking for the right driver - but you didn't put it anywhere the system could find it.

It may be as simple as copying that dll file to C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32

The PID is clearly given in the file as 00E8. So perhaps the 8.1 security system is barfing on what looks to it like a hostile dll. What failure message do you get? Errors always tell us more about an unknown system than success; "it just works" is no help at all :)

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No error message as such, it just doesn't appear in SonicStage when connected to my laptop (screen on the walkman itself also says connected).

When i go to device manager it's there as 'Network Walkman' with a yellow exclamation mark next to it, I've attempted to update drivers by pointing to the folders i've extracted the download zip files to, and Program Files/Sony/Personal Audio Drivers, but it just says no drivers available & cannot install device.

The same happens in both 7 (32bit) & 8.1 (64bit).

Since the original post, I've been playing around with SS in XP and though it's detecting fine, SS won't let me transfer any of my mp3s, giving me the 'transfers are not allowed' error. It won't even let me just convert them to ATRAC (without transferring), giving me a list of why it wont convert (file format, copyright etc).

In the end I've had to convert to ATRAC in SS on my 8.1 machine, then copy it across via flashdrive to my XP machine, import them into SS, and transfer those pre-converted files. I imagine the only reason I can be bothered doing this convoluted process is because it's still a new toy to me, not sure how I'm going to fare after a couple of weeks :P 

Anyway I can see the inf/cat files you've mentioned above, in the Program Files/Sony/Personal Audio Drivers folder, and i'll try copying the .dll to system32 and see how i go.

Thanks for the suggestions, being that these devices aren't that common (and the last thread was back in 07/08 i think) i didnt think i would get a response, let alone so soon.

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1. You (may) need to turn off driver signature enforcement (F8 at bootup is the way in 8.1) but I don't actually think so

2. You need to manually point the installer at the set of files that includes that driver. Use "Have Disk.."

Should work fine

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apologies for the really late response.

I tried both those suggestions, but no go. Uninstalled it via device manager and connected it again. Progress bar completed and said device was installed successfully (no errors popped up either), however under device manager it still has the yellow exclamation mark next to it, and still doesn't detect in SS.

Anyway I've resigned to the fact that I'll just need to run XP if I want to move music on/off the device. An inconvenience but at least the old laptop is being put to use. Might see if i can get XP + SS running off a flashdrive and just carry that around with my main notebook, would be more convenient, and allow me to transfer music while away from home (without having to carry 2 laptops).

Thanks again for the suggestions & help mate!

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If it's a netMD device then it needs to be added to the netMD .inf driver file. I can do it and you can try that. The problem right now is getting rid of the bad installation, which requires instructions normally only comprehensible by techies. You have to search the contents of every file in windows\inf named oem<nn>.inf where nn are two digits. Delete any that have netMD driver references, reboot, and start over again.

If you're not comfy messing with that then you're welcome to send it to me as I always (like you apparently) have a deep curiosity as to the different incarnations of this technology. I gather it's tiny.

However the fact that it supports Atrac3+ suggests that it isn't using the NetMD protocol at all. Who knows?

Rather than a whole XP machine, what you need to do (for your other solution) is to hook up a virtual XP machine which is your right and privilege on Pro and Ultimate versions of Windows (I speak of 7 since I have not yet moved on to 8.x or 10). If you have only Home or Starter then you are out of luck with that.

Stephen

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Kind of given up on trying to get it working on a non-XP machine now and as suspected, the excitement of the 'new toy' has started to wear off.

I've gotten XP working on a Virtual Machine now (first time playing around with it), however plugging in a USB device goes undetected. I'll probably just keep the old XP laptop around for whenever I decide to change up the playlist.

I did have a look at all the inf files and removed (or relocated, in case something else went wrong) the ones with any reference to NETMD inside it.

Anyway, thanks again for all the help. If/when I decide to play around with it further, I'll post my findings here.

 

Cheers!

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Did you look at the pull down in the list of available (unattached) USB devices once Virtual XP has booted? It should be there....

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Wow, so it's been nearly a year since I last used this little device. Figure i'll just update this thread instead of creating a new one.

Anyway I've once again attempted to get it working to no avail.

So I go XP Mode running successfully on a Win 7 (x64) machine, and checked the pull down list of USB devices. However when trying to select the MS70D, I keep getting the same error to either try another port or restart, both of which I've tried, and both of which have failed.

And trying to use it under Win7 (x64) natively, just says it can't find drivers. Have installed SonicStage Ultimate v2 and Personal Audio Drivers, I can see all relevant files (MS70DUSB.cat/inf) but even when pointing directly to that folder, it says no drivers found. Guessing they're XP only drivers.

Might just be a phase again, but I really want to get this working, at least in XP Mode (I'd really like to avoid having a dedicated XP machine if possible). SFBP, if you've got any suggestions, or want me to post up screenshots/files to play around with, let me know.

 

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