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Copying MD to computer hard drive

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I have an old minidisc player that is not working anymore, and a disc is inside of this player that I am not even sure how to take out. Any recommendations will be greatly appreciated.

After I take that disc out of that player I would have to copy it to my computer hard drive.

I just found out that some MD players have USB outputs, and weirdly enough some players can only download through the USB ports, not upload, but most of them do both: uploading and downloading.

Question: If I find a player that will be able to transfer data through USB port into the computer, what format it will be transferred in and what format is it recorded on the disc in, and how exactly can such transfer from a disc to the computer hard drive be done?

Thank you.

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Can you share the make and model? Would help to figure out, how to release the disc. There are many, many MD players/recorders - decks, walkmans, etc., with different mechanisms.

Success of the MD to PC transfer: it depends on how that disc was originally recorded/formatted. If it was a legacy MD recording (ATRAC audio), only an MZ-RH1 can transfer the content from the disc to the PC. If it was formatted as a HiMD disc, a couple of HiMD models can do the transfer (audio or data). (If it was a data MD disc by any chance, it would need a dedicated data MD player/recorder.)

File format on the PC: you may want to refer to the SonicStage manual for possibilites (many) - you would need that software anyhow, for the transfer.

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Thank you for your reply.

The model of my MD recorder is MDS 302, I believe it is one of the first ones.

Recording was done on this device by simply pressing the record button and resulted in whatever format it could.

What players could read that format and transfer the data through its USB output?

And what software can I use to capture the disc content on PC, that SonicStage that you mentioned?

Thank you.

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2 hours ago, Kesha said:

What players could read that format and transfer the data through its USB output?

And what software can I use to capture the disc content on PC, that SonicStage that you mentioned?

I am afraid, the only device that can transfer this audio via USB is the MZ-RH1. And for that SonicStage is required (available from the download section of the forum).

I will look into the MDS-JE302's service manual, to figure out how can a stuck disc be released. Yes, it is one of the first devices, and has one of the problematic mechanisms. The disc can definitely be removed, the question is just how much must the device be stripped down.

One thought, without any intention of disappointing you: unless the audio on that stuck disc is something a unique recording like a live event or so, it may not be worth to take all the hassle of removing a disc, finding an MZ-RH1, installing SonicStage (can be a real pain, depending on the OS), and so on. Might be easier and faster to look for that music on the net, and download it. And it is not only the trouble, but also the sound quality - that deck had ATRAC 3, a very early version, with known limitations and artifacts.

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Thank you for your reply.

Yes, the recording on that disc is unique, this is the only way to get it.

I looked up the MZ-RH1, it is a very expensive one, and to my surprise it is PORTABLE! Is it the most advanced one that could do the USB transfer that no other player can?

And once the SonicStage is installed and the MZ-RH1 is connected to the computer, will I see the list of all songs and simply drag and drop it, like a typical USB device, or there will be some other conversion involved in that process?

Thank you.

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Hi guys,

I really need to know if the model MZ-RH1 is the only one that I can capture my music from minidisc to the hard drive, and how technically it could be done.

Thank you.

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1 hour ago, Kesha said:

I really need to know if the model MZ-RH1 is the only one that I can capture my music from minidisc to the hard drive

Yes, it is (given the conditions and disc you described).

 

1 hour ago, Kesha said:

and how technically it could be done.

(As mentioned before) you may want to consult the SonicStage user manual (as well as the MZ-RH1 manual).

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Hey NGY,

thank you so much for your replies.

What exactly feature MZ-RH1 has that no other MD players have?

Thank you.

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4 hours ago, Kesha said:

What exactly feature MZ-RH1 has that no other MD players have?

"Full backward compatability with std-MD system -- records SP/Mono/LP2/LP4 format audio to std-MD discs and uploads std-MD recordings to PC in PCM, Hi-SP or ATRAC3 format audio files. Uploading is in no way restricted (unlimited uploads of mic, line and digital recordings are permitted)" [Quoted from here]

Sony had always been making all efforts to restrict copying digitally recorded audio, and part of this they put limitations everywhere, on what and how could be copied. Although several HiMD recorders can play standard MD discs, only the MZ-RH1 is enabled to copy such discs to the PC.

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There IS another way to get data off that disk. You can play it back through the optical out of a deck into a computer that will accept the optical input. This means a sound card in your pc which you might have to add. This will allow you to record in whatever format you feel like, since what is transmitted by optical is the standard 16-bit (or so) WAV format like a CD.

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2 hours ago, sfbp said:

There IS another way to get data off that disk. You can play it back through the optical out of a deck into a computer

Yes, this is a way to make a copy of an audio content. I did not go this route, as I had the belief the OP wanted to "read that format and transfer the data through its USB output".

Few  things might be worth to mention:

- making a copy via the digital audio output (should that be coaxial or optical) of a MD deck to a PC soundcard (or another MD recorder) will result a similar, but not exact copy. The digital signal on the optical (coaxial) output is a decompressed ATRAC audio, not the original ATRAC data. The copy on the PC will suffer another compression, whatever the format will be. The difference might well be marginal or even unnoticeable, I just wanted to make a note this is not a real transfer in the digital domain.

- a copy via the digital output is only possible, if either 1) the original recorded material is a first generation digital recording, or 2) the receiving PC sound card can eliminate SCMS.

- if the aim is just to save the audio content of the original disc whatever it takes (and sound quality is at second priority), then even a simple analogue copy is possible, once the disc is released and is found readable by another MD player device.

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Note: most PC sound cards don't seem to care about SCMS.

I would take the optical transfer instead of analogue any day of the week.

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14 minutes ago, sfbp said:

I would take the optical transfer instead of analogue any day of the week.

Agreed.

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20 hours ago, Kesha said:

Hi guys,

I really need to know if the model MZ-RH1 is the only one that I can capture my music from minidisc to the hard drive, and how technically it could be done.

Thank you.

oops, I forgot one more way. If you can get an HHB Portadisc

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HHB-Portadisc-MDP500-Professional-Minidisc-Field-Record-/120834359500

This device DOES output a USB stream directly. Standard Play (SP) only, but that's what you have. Probably overkill unless your recording is VERY special.

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Or send a parcel to a member of this forum who have a Sony MZ-RH1 (M200), preferably in the same country than you. After, you just need to download the files from Dropbox or similar.

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Hey, guys, seriously.. Thank you!

The thing is that it is an original recording. I was mixing to MD from a multichannel, and then replicating to compact cassettes, about 22 years ago.

And this is the only copy left, so, I would be afraid to mail it, just in case it can get lost in mail.

So far Portadisc look like the best solution. Will it read the format that the very first MD recorders were recording (whatever format it was)?

And what is the Standard Play, an opposite to some "Long play"?

And to recognize the USB input I would still need that SonicStage?

And what format wil I get it from the SonicStage: wav?

Thank you.

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On 5/14/2017 at 6:42 AM, Kesha said:

Hey, guys, seriously.. Thank you!

The thing is that it is an original recording. I was mixing to MD from a multichannel, and then replicating to compact cassettes, about 22 years ago.

And this is the only copy left, so, I would be afraid to mail it, just in case it can get lost in mail.

So far Portadisc look like the best solution. Will it read the format that the very first MD recorders were recording (whatever format it was)?

And what is the Standard Play, an opposite to some "Long play"?

And to recognize the USB input I would still need that SonicStage?

And what format wil I get it from the SonicStage: wav?

Thank you.

1. Yes, the Portadisc will read any minidisc recorded in MONO or SP by your MDS-302.

2. The MDS-302 can only record in MONO, or SP, that stands for STEREO, in this case.

3. Recording via USB does not require SonicStage, but any free software like Audacity.

4. Yes, Audacity (or any equivalent software) will export the recordings to WAV.

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