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I ordered the MZ-RH1 MiniDisc item but I was advised that the products were shipping from Japan and would therefore work only in Japanese.

I have downloaded the product manuals in English, but there do not appear to be any options to change product language.

Is it possible to change the language of the device to English from Japanese, or is this unsupported?

I would very much like to be able to use the MZ-RH1 unit - so please let me know!

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Yes you are right, I don't either such option on my unit. You need to compare the english user"s guide to the japanese one.

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That's so unfortunate.

There's no way to update the firmware with a different language either, is there?

This is a showstopper for my purchase.

Nobody would happen to know where to get a brand new English unit, would they?

Thank you!

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Thanks for the link. I had already downloaded the manual, but I did not see it mention anywhere where I could change the language. I probably would not be able to `discover` the language change menu option on the Japanese menu myself. Unless someone knows where it is already? It may not even be in the service menu, for all I know...

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I absolutely guarantee that the option for English menus will be there on the real unit. It is, on every other unit I have ordered that started out life in Japanese. My RH1 came from USA (Canada actually) but the Japanese units should all have the option. You can probably work it out, most people who've bought units from Japan (not specifically the RH1, but for instance the RH10) seem to have managed to do so without breaking a sweat. And the ENGLISH manual I am sure doesn't mention change of language. If you are getting a NEW unit it probably starts in English. If it is "pre-owned" then you should ask the seller to reconfigure it for you.

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Well, thanks for the enthusiasm. However:

1) The sellers of the units have all asserted that the unit starts out in Japanese.

2) I have indeed followed up with them and asked whether it is possible to change language to English. They have all said "no" thus far.

3) In fact, I was originally alerted to the issue when the seller of my first unit let me know that the device and manuals were in Japanese *only*.

4) The English manual I downloaded for the unit does *not* include language among the menu options *at all*, a most curious omission.

The above notwithstanding, I would still love to assume it is possible to change the unit language.

However even you yourself have admitted that there is no evidence of language change for the RH1 sourced from Japan yet.

Does your Canadian RH1 allow you to set its language to Japanese, for instance?

That would be a start.

Please let me know - thanks!

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By Jove... Look like you get the price, Sphig.

Could be useful to let us know what else do you have in your archives. Think of it.

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We do have a japanese member of SI, haven't we ? Stephen as an administrator, can you get inside more easier than us (search engine) in member's profile ?

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There are some Americans who lived in Japan. One of these definitely had multiple Japanese units. I just have to remember who. Anyone with the Grey (as opposed to black) version of RH1 is probably getting the Japanese model.

I am reasonably certain that all the Japanese (domestic) models of all Sony gear have English menus. The converse is untrue.

In any event, you don't even need the menu for the important purpose of the RH1 - uploading. And best to buy something else for listening or recording. So it doesn't matter.

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I have a grey unit (and a black one bought in France, both completely repaired by Jim Hoggarth) : the "Marsupilami" one, set in english when I bought it (no idea if it had been sold in Viêt-Nam when brand new model or imported from Japan then got a new language setting in english). But I need some explanation how to enter (and exit) the service mode, your "nope" tend to make me cautious.

 

Found that anyway : from Alexis 

 

<< A little more about MD regions

* You can display, but not edit, roman and japanese characters using any device.

* You can edit english roman characters using a japanese model.

* You cannot edit all european roman characters on a japanese unit.

* You cannot edit a text that has been entered on a foreign machine, even if it uses the common subset of english-only roman characters.

* The character set used on the remote is dependent on the region of the player.

Try the following to make an example:

Take an american or european unit, title any track "TEST", put the MD into a japanese and try to edit this track. You get a "CAN'T EDIT". This is because of the region. That is why it is useful to change the region of foreign devices to keep them compatible with other units of the same region.

All this is based on my own experience with an RH-1 (japanese), an RH-10 (american), and an MC40ELK remote (chinese). >>

 

 

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4 hours ago, sfbp said:

There are some Americans who lived in Japan. One of these definitely had multiple Japanese units. I just have to remember who. Anyone with the Grey (as opposed to black) version of RH1 is probably getting the Japanese model.

I am reasonably certain that all the Japanese (domestic) models of all Sony gear have English menus. The converse is untrue.

In any event, you don't even need the menu for the important purpose of the RH1 - uploading. And best to buy something else for listening or recording. So it doesn't matter.

What are the reasons you say its better to use something else for listening or recording?

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The RH1 is a fragile unit.

Because of that, some of us think that it is better to use it at home, like a very small deck to be use gently.

Myself I use it for recording mostly connected digitally to my laptop and use a NH700 for listening.

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I FORGOT ABOUT THE REGION CHANGE. On the RH10, there's a language setting on both Japanese and non-Japanese models. In the Japanese model, you can switch between English and Japanese. On the European model you can switch between English, French, German, Italian,  and Spanish. You can even make the Japanese model into the European by changing DistFL from 23 to 20, and vice-versa. I just did that.

On the DH710 there's no Language in the options menu and if you set DistFL (113) the menus don't change... there is no Language option. The DH710 actually came out around the time of the RH1, so it's possible that the two firmwares are similar. Bad news.

My previous comments related to the fact that both my Japanese MZ-RH10 and Japanese NW-F887 allowed one to switch between English and Japanese. Since these bracket the RH1, it seemed likely that a real Japanese RH1 has the option. However the behaviour of the MZ-DH710 has me worried that perhaps I was wrong.

Philippe - can you see the back of your giraffe? Mine is in English, the Japanese one will be in Japanese.

Service mode is almost impossible to enter on most used RH1's. The jog lever tends to over-react. A brand new one should be fine, if it allows you to change regions.  A big IF.

I still say you don't care. The only purpose of an RH1 is to upload things that cannot be uploaded ANY OTHER WAY. Using what has become a totally overpriced unit (usually around double what I paid for mine brand new) for listening is reckless and irresponsible, as you will not be able to afford a new one when it (inevitably) breaks. These machines are, as Philippe says, fragile. So much so that Jim Hoggarth completely busted one trying to get it apart for servicing.

There should be another way to get into service mode, which I have used on other recalcitrant MD units. It's not mentioned in the RH1 service manual, so all bets are off. That is, you can solder a bridge to force it always into test mode.

The third way to get into service mode involves some software, and no one seems to have that for the RH1, although it's available for all the units where we CAN get in easily by pressing buttons (all the ones except RH1 I get into the service menu first time always).

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Well, I had cancelled my order, but then re-instated it, in hopes that the language issue would be solvable.

It seems there's many reasons why the MiniDisc format died off.

In my experience with the Sony MP3 players released in 1999/2000, the software was horrible (and the support even worse).

I figure Sony was never able to get the software issues sorted. Shame for the format.

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The point of the RH1 was a parting gesture to allow people to recover their recordings off MD (BBC radio for example used MD for almost 20 years). Some of the subsequent solid-state players and recorders are really impressive.

But here in this forum you are talking to a bunch of folks who really love MDs for all their quirkiness and charm. One of my fave units is the one that Sergio gave me "If you can fix it, it's yours", an E909 - one of the lightest ever manufactured. It gives me pleasure to listen on a unit that I managed to repair ;)

The other appeal is one of appearance - the disks and devices are a delight to hold in the hand - "How on earth did they do that?".

Don't recommend the RH1 as a listening device, you can get many nice alternatives for 1/5 to 1/10 the price. Ebay is your friend.

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Yes, ever since seeing the first MiniDisc ad on MTV Europe in 93 (or was it 94?) I fell in love with the device.

I had a MiniDisc recorder in the late 90s, which was lost during a move, unfortunately.

I am basically getting into this out of nostalgia; it is possible to find brand-new RH1 devices on Amazon, hence my enthusiasm.

However the language issue reminds me of the disappointments of old with Sony. A real pity.

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I was quite delighted to discover all the domestic (Japanese) models seem to have an English option. I see no reason why the RH1 would not, but i still say it doesn't matter. You only need this unit if you want to upload stuff.

Guess what.... the service menus are all in English :)

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I was hoping to record my live sets.

Would sure make the track markings a lot easier, as I'd be able to do that live.

I understand with the Hi-MD format, I can record at CD quality without compression for about 100 minutes?

I'd have preferred two-three hours, but I can probably live with that for most of my productions.

Does the line-in recording work well?

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Forget line-in and MZ-whatever PCM - it's a mismatch of capabilities. Better to get a PCM-M10. The HiMD disks are stupidly expensive now, and the quality you get (16 bits) is really not as good as either 256K Atrac3+ (which is a 24-bit format) or real 24/44 or 24/96 both of which you can do with the PCM-M10 - and a 16GB MicroSD card giving you enough for 8-10 hours.

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