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I have never heard of an RH10 without the OLED display so I was suspicious of the photo as well. My "NO" to you was only in regard to the photo in the link definitely not being an RH910. No offence intended. You have been extremely helpful in your postings to me and others here and your knowledge of all things mindisc is quite impressive, so my apologies if you were offended in any way, that was not my intention. I wasn't intending to buy from or deal with this person I just saw the photo and was very curious if indeed a non OLED display RH10 had been released by Sony perhaps either before or after the OLED version was releasesd or perhaps in some other part of the world.

Enzo Heavenly I have sent you a PM.

No, if you cick on the link you will clearly see that the photo is of a RH10 without an OLED display, not a RH910.

I was parousing through e-bay and found a listing for an RH10 that appears to have a conventional LCD display and not the OLED display. Does anyone remember a version of the RH10 without the OLED display? Here is the link. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-Hi-MD-MZ-RH10-Walkman-Digital-Music-Player-Recorder-/271121201182?pt=US_Personal_MiniDisc_Recorder&hash=item3f2015381e

Thanks for the reply. The thing is, like I mentioned in my previous post, I am able to get the batteries to charge now, well two of them anyway, so that's not really my main concern anymore, if a concern at all. I have performed no cleaning whatsoever of the contacts on my RH10, they were already very clean with no signs of corrosion or buildup which was detremined by a close visual inspection under magnification. I have never left a discharged gumstick battery in the battery compatment for any extended period of time, nor have I ever operated my RH10 in any environmental conditions that would have caused corrosion or buildup on the battery compartment contacts. Using the tin foil has shown that the batteries themselves are not the primary issue. The main problem now is that the batteries are not making electrical contact when inserted into the battery compartment. It appears that this was the reason the batteries were refusing to charge in the first place, not that the batteries themselves were defective or used up. With the tinfoil in place not only will two of the three batteries now charge, at least partly, they will power the player on their own for playback and other functions. As soon as I remove the tiny little square of folded tin foil then I get no power to the RH10 whatsoever under battery power. This is the part that is perplexing me. Tin foil in place and everything works, charging, playback, the OLED display, everything, no tin folil and nothing works. I am at a total loss to explain this bizzare phenomenom, as the issue never existed previously and now it occurs on both my RH10 and my MZ-N1, which also uses the same Ni-MH gumstick battery. Yes I tried the folded tin foil with the MZ-N1 and with it in place the MZ-N1 also functions. How could the same condition, which was not previously present, suddenly occur with two completey different devices, at the same time? If the tin foli is not merely allowing the battery to make physical contact within the battery compatment, then what is it doing? What can I do to correct this issue as like I said before, I don't want to always have to have a little square piece of aluminim foil stuck in my battery compartment? Also, and I hesitate to mention this, but disclosure of this issue to potential buyers has affected my ability to sell my RH10, which frankly I find a little strange as I have operated my RH10 in this manner with no problems at all for the better part of two years now by utilizing the AA piggyback power sourece. BTW, that is an absolutely awesome and invaluable feature. Without it my player would have virtually been an unuseable dud in regards to portable use for the last two years since this issue first began.

This thread has been dorment for awhile but i have an update, sort of, and another question. With a litle more research I found a suggestion online from someone who folded up a small piece of tinfoil wrap and placed it on top of the positive terminal of the Gumstick and then closed the battery compartment latch and got the battery to start accepting a charge that way. I thought what the heck I'll give this a try. Well what do ya know, it worked. One of the three Sony gumstick batteries I have still refused to take a charge but at least I could get the RH10 into charge mode , it would just not stay in charge mode very long. I think that particular battery, which is the one that came with my MZ-N1 and therefore is the oldest of the three batteries is truly toast. One of the remaining two would stay in charge mode a little longer but would drop out of charge mode after five or six minutes. I continued to re-start the charge mode with this battery several times and eventually I was able to get it to about half charge. The third gumstick charged fully on the first try but went down to about half charge almost immediately after disconnecting the AC adaptor and beginning playback of a minidisc, but it continued to play for at least an hour before I stopped playback and the indicator on the display showed that it still had plenty of charge left. I then removed the piece of folded up tinfoil and closed the battery compartment lid and could not get the player to respond in any way. It appears that what I have believed all this time to be an issue with the gumstick batteries themselves, most probably in fact, is an issue with not being able to make electrical contact with the gumstick. Like I posted previously in this thread the contacts inside the battery compartment and on the underside of the battery compartment lid are squeaky clean with absolutely no signs of corrosion or buildup. Upon further inspection today It appears that when inserting a gumstick battery in the battery compartment it seems to be sitting a little lower than I remember it to, and that when I close the battery compartment lid the elctrical contact of the battery compartment lid is not making contact with the little nub on the positive end of the gumstick. I notice the same thing with my MZ-N1 as well. That's why the batteries wouldn't charge in either machine and that's why, understandably, I automatically assumed that it was the batteries themselves that were the issue. The batteries are not making electrical contact with either machine. Has anyone else experienced this? Can anyone offer a proper fix or suggestion to work around this other than a little piece of tin foil which puts presure on the battery compartment latch and makes it difficult to close? Any other insight to offer? Could it be that the batteries have shrunk? I mean why else would they not be making contact now when they always have before? I noticed that there is a small amount of springiness when I push down lightly on the inserted gumstick when the battery compatment lid is open. Is it possible that the spring under the electrical contacts located in the bottom of the battery compartment have compressed somehow? Folded up foil wrap is far from an optimal solution. It's all a bit of a mystery to me. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to offer.

I'm not sure if you are reffering to an LP or a CD. If you are talking about an LP record, recorded directly to your RH10 from a turntable, or more correctly from the outputs of your phono pre, then I would have to say no the RH10 will not automatically insert a track mark between songs. Truth be told I have never attempted this, so I could be wrong. Now if you are transferring the LP recorded from your computer and you manualy inserted track indicators when you first performed the needle drop, then those track markers should transfer when porting the file to your RH10. As far as recording a CD with an optical connection directly from a CD transport/player, then yes the vast majority of the time the track markers, which are digitally encoded in the CD, will be transferred to your MD recorder while recording. Even if transferring directly from CD in analogue, for the most part the RH10 will recognize and insert track marks betwween songs, but I have had issues with certain CD's where the tracks blend together or where there is a very short pause between tracks and no track marks were created between these songs when recording from the analoguen outputs of a disc player. In this situation, or in the case of recording directly from the phono outputs, you will have to manually ad track marks. Refer to your owners manual for instructions on how to do this. Hopefully this answers your questions.

Have posted an auction on e-bay for the RH10 without the discs. High bid already above $200US as of the time of this psting after just twenty-four hours, so RH10 itself is no longer for sale here. Discs are stil available for now but may soon post them on e-bay as well. Make an offer for the discs if interested.

Azureal; In terms of the sound quality differences, it also occurs to me that this should not be the case. I fully concede that it is entirely possible that the difference in sound quality I hear is not actually real. I did say that it was a "perceived" difference and to elaborate a little further, it was very subtle. I Doubt if I could consistantly identify which was which in a controlled blind test, although I have recorded the same source material to both disc types in PCM and did some comparsion listening to come to this conclusion, however I admit this was a purrely subjective evaluation and some expectation bias may be at play here. I found the same between recordings done in PCM and the next best option available except when the source material was of a higher resolution, say recordings of SACD and DVD-Audio media directly from the analogue outputs of my universal player, then I found the difference to be slightly more pronounced. This one would seem to make a little more sense. Despite the shorter word length used in PCM in comparison to Atrac3plus (16bits compared to 24bits) the lack of any compression with redording in PCM should still theoretically more than compensate, but perhaps my logic is faulty on this.

Thanks Azureal. Yes I had forgotten about the lack of a practical line level ouptut, most likely due to the fact that I have never attempted to use my RH10 in that fashion. I see how that could be a limiting factor for many users. BTW just for the sake of clarity, I would like to point out that my $275 asking price is for 17 Hi-MD discs not 10, two of which are factory sealed. The Hi-MD discs, back when they were available at retailers, sold for around $12 a piece, or more, up here in the Great White North(Canada) while the last two five packs I purchased from Sony directly online, at the tail end of their inventory, cost me $55CDN funds each. I put some effort and research into the whole process before setting my asking price for the discs and feel that they are priced somewhat if not significantly lower than what is avialable now and consequently reasonable when you consider how scarce they are becoming and what I paid for them originally. Regardless of all that I am open to offers as long as they are reasonable. With all due respect to everyone here, and at the considerable risk of alienating some, it has been my experience that quite often high level enthusiasts, such as those that frequent sites of this type, are more often than not looking for the extraordianry deal and are much less interested in items priced at fair market value or slightly below. This is just a personal observation and not meant to insult any of the members here. There are plenty of people who are not enthusiast members of sites of this nature who operate in this manner as well. I understand that everyone wants to get the best possible deal that they can, it's only human nature, but I'm simply not interested in giving this stuff away at well below current market value. I too have utilized the standard 80 minute Sony Premium Gold mindiscs in Hi-MD mode on my RH10 but find that when recording in PCM( my favoured method) the severe reduction in available recording time combined with a percieved loss of sound quality, in comparison to the 1GB Hi-MD discs, made that option highly undesireable for me.

I know it's early, sort of, but no real bites yet.

Maybe I should start an e-bay auction for mine. Check out this auction from Califronia. Just the Rh10 itself and the matching AC adaptor, nothing else. No Sonicstage, no USB cable, no remote, no carrying pouch, no original packaging, no AA battery power source. It still has over 25 hours to go. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-Minidisc-Recorder-MZ-RH10-HI-MD-/111001865924?pt=US_Personal_MiniDisc_Recorder&hash=item19d83a0ec4 Wow. Now I know I'm not asking too much for my unit that is in similar condition and comes with all the original packaging and accessories and extras and freebies. The thing is I'd really rather not go the e-bay route. I just want to find an enthusiast who wants a fair deal on a great little portable without a lot of fuss.

Well, maybe I should put mine up for auction on e-bay. Check out this auction from California. Just the machine and AC adaptor and nothing else. It still has more than six hours left to go. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-Minidisc-Recorder-MZ-RH10-HI-MD-/111001865924?pt=US_Personal_MiniDisc_Recorder&hash=item19d83a0ec4

Ahhh, I see. That makes a lot of sense. Funny, for me the analogue type of sound from my RH10 is exactly why I picked it over the RH1's crisper sound. By the way I completely agree with your asessment of the basic sound characteristics of those three players. It all comes down to personal preference when it comes to ones perception of sound quality. On another note it would appear that I may indeed be out of whack for what I am asking for my RH10 and the Hi-MD discs that go with it. There is a current auction on e-bay for one right now, that ends in a couple of days, but that one is for the player and AC adaptor only nothing else, so not really a fair comparison. Still it will be interesting to see what the final bid on that no reserve auction is. Any suggestions on what would be realistic, FAIR, prices for these items?

I have to admit I am curious as to why the MZ-RH1 is considered to be the holy grail of portable MD walkmans in comparison to other models, specifically the RH10. I remember vividly when I bought my RH10. At the time the RH1 had just been released, so I had both players available to me at the time new from an authorized retailer. I spent a lot of time in the store that evening putting both of the shops demo models through their paces and agreed with the sales associate that the RH10 was the better performer in terms of sound quality, with the material I had available at the time. For me as an audiophile ultimate sound quality has always been the single most important factor in the consideration or purchase of any music playback device. The salesman explained very clearly to me all the reasons why he felt that the RH10 was the better machine. Now I am fully open to the idea that since the RH10 was about to be discontinued and the store probably wanted to get rid of it's last couple of units, I did get mine for a lttle less than the RH1 was going for, but certainly no drastic discount, that this was purely rhetoric from the salesman to facilitate the sale of the item the store's owners wanted to move first, but rememeber I was able to fully audition both models prior to purchase and I felt that the RH10 was the better machine. Now several years later, with both products long discontinued, it is the RH1 and not the RH10 that is highly sought after and I am curious as to why this is. Is it because it was the last of the Hi-MD portables? Is it because of some function or feature that the RH10 and other Hi-MD walkmans didn't posess? Is it because it is rarer or harder to find? Is it some combination of these factors, or is it something else altogether? I realize in the light of the fact that I am currently in the process of selling my RH10 that this may all seem like nothing more than sour grapes, but it is not, I am just truly curious as to what has accounted for the RH1's climb to almost mythical mystique and the high prices they now command in the marketplace today, particulrily in comparison to other Hi-MD walkmans such as the RH10.

Just in case anyone is interested. http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649038782-heres_a_long_shot_minidiscs/ I have no affiliation with the seller.

Are you willing to consider a machine that accepts optical in but runs off a AA piggyback power source? If so then the MZ-RH10 is an option.

I'm not sure one way or the other if there is any problems with the Shure earphones to tell you the truth. They have had a lot of use and the last time I used them , which was sometime ago, they just didn't seem to sound as good as they used to. This may have had something to do with my replacing them with a new pair, much higher up in the Shure line. Remember that the Shure's are just a free throw in for someone who purchases both the MZ-RH10 and the mindiscs as a package deal. Yes the 275US dollars is the price for the Hi-MD discs only. If you look at any of the curent listings online for new and used Hi-MD minidiscs, and there aren't very many listings, you will see that I am asking less than what is normally asked in todays market for them. They are becoming increasingly more difficult to come by. I found a listing on e-bay for a single used disc for $25. I found a listing for two new discs for $45 each. I found a lsiting here for 5 of the old style used discs for $110 US. My price works out to $15 each for the 15 used discs which is not much more than I paid for them, and $25 each for the two new ones. $15X15 equals $225 plus $25 X2($50) equals $275US total for the 17 discs. These prices are below what is currently advertised in any active online sales or auctions I could find. Plus keep in mind I am willing to work out a reasonable discount for anyone who is wiling to purchase both the discs and the MZ-RH10 together, which would further reduce the overall price somewhat. I am open to offers but like I stated in the ad I am not in a must sell position or in other words I really have no reason to sell for any more below fair market value than I already am. If someone can point out recent and relavent anecdotal evidence to illustrate that my pricing is out of line with reality, I am more than open to receiving this imformation as long as it is current and relevant and legitimate, in other words referencing identical product in identical condition. Obviously if I fail to generate any significant interest at my asking price then I may have to reconsider what I am asking, or even more likley just hang on to the items for now. Hopefully that makes my position clear for everyone. If someone is seriously interested in what I am offering I am sure we can come to an agreement on price as long as that someone isn't looking for some rare screaming bargain, well below average market value. I honestly feel the asking price provides an excellent and fair value for whoever decides to purchase this package when you take into consideration all that is being offered for that price.

UPDATE; RH10 NOW LISTED ON E-BAY; NO LONGER AVAILABLE THROUGH THIS CLASSIFIED AD AS OF 1/21/13. USED AND NEW HI-MD MINIDISCS ARE STILL AVAILABLE. THANKS FOR LOOKING. I have for sale one used Sony MZ-RH10 Hi-MD Minidisc recorder/player. Original owner. Purchased March of 2006 from Sony store in Hamiltion Ontario Canada. Machine is in very good condition and is completely functional. OLED display is fully functional.( No burned out or missing lines) All original cardboard packaging, included. USB cable, included.(never used) Inline headphone remote and packed in earbuds, included.(never used) Original AC adaptor included. AA battery piggyback power source adaptor, inlcuded Original owners manuals, included.(one English, used but in very good condition, one French, never used) Sonicstage ver 3.0 software CD, included. (never used) Two Sony NH-14WM Nickel Metal Hydride rechargeable batteries with clear plastic cases, included.( Both batteries no longer accepting charge directly from player. There are possible fixes for this, such as an outboard charger, but batteries may be permanantly dead) One Monster cable i-pod connecting cable (mini-jack to two RCA) 3meteres in length. This is a very high quality cable with black shrink wrap and ceramic RCA connectors that comes with it's own carrying pouch with Velcro seal. This is used in the transfering of analogue signals, either to or from the player. Will allow direct recording of analogue signals from the outputs of a disc player or will facilitate hooking up your the MZ-RH10 to your home audio system. One high quality Ultralink mini to standard Toslink cable,(one metre). ______________________________________________________________________________________ I also have for sale several Sony 1GB Hi-MD minidiscs. 17 in total. 15 are used, all with plastic cases, all in excellent condition. Two absolutely Brand New, unopened, factory sealed, Sony 1GB Hi-MD minidiscs *** Also for anyone who purchases the entire package I will include for free(buyer pays extra shipping charges only, if any) the following items.*** 1-Alice In Chains-Unplugged pre-recorded minidisc with original case. 1-Sony MZ-N1 NetMD minidisc recorder/player with original carrying case, both in very good condition. (MZ-N1 currently does not record but plays back fine. There is a fix for this issue posted in a thread on the Sony minidisc forum.) 1pair- of Shure E3C IEM's (in ear monitors) with zippered carrying case and several unused multi-sized tips. ( earphones are still functional but may have some operational issues) 1-Case Logic zippered multi-pocketed carrying case for the transportation of portable playback devices and software. I will give preference to an individual who is prepared to purchase the entire package. I will not seperate the MZ-RH10 and the discs until I have given sufficient time for someone to purchase the entire package. If no one steps forward to purchase the entire package I will then seperate the discs and the player for sale, but will only sell the discs seperately once the MZ-RH10 has sold. No exceptions. Therefore if you really only want the discs it may be worth it to buy the entire package and then sell the MZ-RH10 seperately afterward. For now I am only interested in shipping within Canada and the U.S. At a later date if package does not sell, I may consider shipping overseas. I am a fairly new member here and have never sold anything in the classified section, but I have spotless feedback both on AudiogoN and Canuck Audio Mart under the username good sound, (CAM) and my actual name (AudiogoN). Here are links to my feedback at both sites. http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/userfeedback.php?user_id=5395 http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fb.pl?user=rcrerar As far as the discs themselves are concerned the fifteeen used ones currently have music recorded on them in uncompressed PCM format, recorded directly from the analogue outputs of my Esoteric universal disc player. I can ship the discs with the music on them or I can re-format(erase) the discs prior to shipping, buyers choice. This is not a new, unused or mint condition MZ-RH10, so collectors looking for such will have to look elsewhere. Also this is probably not the MZ-RH10 for anyone looking to find a screaming deal that is well below the current average going rate. I have however, I feel, priced the player very fairly especially considering the condition, completenss of the package and all of the extras. I am not in a position where I am forced to sell due to financial restraints so therefore my prices are very fair and quite firm for the time being. I have invested considerable time and effort to create and post this ad and I am serious about selling this package so please, serious inquiries only. All shipping charges and/or Paypal fees, if used, are the responsibility of the buyer. I am asking US$175 for the MZ-RH10 which includes the two extra cables and all original packaging and original accesories. I am asking US$275 for the collection of 17 1GB Hi-MD minidiscs. Two new, fifteen used. I am willing to work out a reasonable discount for someone who is interested in purchasing both the discs and the MZ-RH10, plus of course that person will also receive the free extras mentioned in the body of this ad if they so desire. I am located in and items will ship from Ontario Canada All pictures posted are of the actual items included in the sale. Thank you for taking the time to read my admitedly very lengthy ad. I like to be thorough. Feel free to contact me with any questions you may have.

Hey ShriDurga. Are you still looking for a Hi-MD recorder? I have an RH10 in good condition, fully functional with original packaging, unused NetMD software,several used Hi-MD discs(one new unopened 1GB Hi-MD blank) and some other accessories if you are interested. I live in Canada. Where are you located? If still interested contact me via PM for more details. For now I am directing this at ShriDurga. If he turns out not to be interested then I will accept offers of purchase from other interested members. I will post an update of availabilty one way or the other after I have heard from ShriDurga. Thanks.

Thanks for the advice but I can't really see the sense in purchasing another player just to try and re-charge my batteries without knowing for sure if it will even work. While possible, I feel that it's unlikely that the charging circuits would be gone on both the RH10 and my MZ-N1. I have read on several different sites that these gumstick batteries, if left too long without being used, lose their "memory".

Wow! I wonder how long that guy has been stockpiling those? The last time I ordered some directly from Sony Canada I paid $50CDN. for a box of five. I had the opportunity to purchase more at the time and probably should have because now they are scarce and escalating in price. That guy won't ship outside of europe anyway, so no good for me even if I was wiling to pay his asking price, which I'm not.

Thanks for the response. Unfortunately both of your suggestions for "waking up my NiMH batteries" are not really an option for me. The first suggestion, for reasons that should be quite obvious, and the second one because I have no access to a R91. Was my RH10 not made in Japan? I have tried recharging them on my old MZ-N1, but that hasen't worked either. The contacts on both the batteries themselves and on the RH10 are very clean. The last time that I tried to charge my NiMH batteries, before the most recent attempt, they took a charge but it didn't last very long in usage, less than an hour. Now, neither player will even allow itself to enter into charge mode. On my RH10 the charging indicator flashes once quickly on the OLED display and then goes out. I only froze the batteries because I read in a few places on the web that this sometimes can reset or wake them up. It didn't work for me. It's not really a huge tragedy as I have been just using the AA piggyback adapter which is not optimal but at least I am able to still use the player. I have seen the NiMH gumstick batteries for sale on the internet but don't know how good they are in comparison the original Sony ones that came with the players. I record mostly Hi-rez DVD-Audio and SACD directly from the analogue outputs on my universal player, using a Mosnster cable iPod cable, in full PCM and the sound quality is several steps beyond what any MP3 player can ever hope to attain. Just checked and yes my RH10 was made in Malaysia but my MZ-N1 was made in Japan and it will not charge my gumstick NiMH's.

Hello all; Just joined today and would like to ask a couple of questions. I own a MZ-RH10 Hi-MD. Here are my questions. My player/recorder went through a period of non use and all three of my Nickel Metal Hydrade gumstick batteries have bit the dust. I have tried unsuccessfully to revive them including freezing the batteries. They just refuse to take a charge. I know I can purchase off brand replacements online, or just continue to use the double A piggyback power source, but what I was wondering is if the gumstick Lithium Ion battery Sony included with some other Hi-MD walkmans would work in my RH10? My second question is this. Is there any reliable source of obtaining new sealed blank Hi-MD minidiscs at reasonable prices? Thanks a lot. Great to see there are still supporters of this wonderful format.