Thanks Poe and Pata, sorry for the late reply. I've had a look for the models you mentioned Pata and I can't find any of them on Ebay, you're right about them being rare! I'm at a bit of a loss where else to look really. You're right about not being able to record sacd digitally Pata, there's too much info, so I've been doing it via the analogue phonos and it sounds good, better than the cd layer on the same disc via the analogue(I think!). I'm thinking of plumping for the NH1, nice looking machine too and not so big. So the HD amp makes a real difference then? Spacewise, Poe, I'm not really that fussed as I have a shortish commute and a couple of discs is usually enough, but I know what you mean. I've got my ipod or HIMD if it's a long trip(but there does seem to be an obsession with how much music you have with you, it seems to inspire having lots of albums and doing lots of track skipping...) Also, what is the best deck for transferring? The ja20es is great, but as it's not the latest version of atrac I wondered if the newer models might be better. But, seen as it's pcm perhaps it doesn't matter? I read that the jb930qs is considered the best model, even better than the 980 or ES models, is there any truth to this? I've seen the other ES models, and the price, and to be honest I'd have to be very sure before I considered upgrading to one of them, though the keyboard in would be handy.