Need Help Uploading Live Recording In Himed

[tharmon]

I can record a great concert on my new Sony NH1. ... I have installed SonicStage, HiMDRenderrer, and Audacity. Theoretically, I should be able to upload the live recording to my computer with Sonic Stage, then convert my multitrack live recording to one wave file using the "batch" feature of HIMDRenderer, then use Audacity to edit and create separate wave files for each song. Then I'll use Nero to burn a great CD.... unfortunately, its not that easy. I've spent many hours trying to get this straight and still... no luck.

Here are some of my problems:

1. With Sonic Stage, I can’t seem to transfer the files and rename the tracks... they are always untitled(1),(2) etc... There are a couple of places where I try to rename the tracks as a group, but they always come out "Untilted (1),(2), etc.

HiMDRenderer Questions:

1. Can’t change the name of the trac! The remain Untitled(27); Untitled (28)! (same problem as #1 above);

2. When I use HiMDRenderer, I’m supposed to designate the “input” and “output” sources...; but when I use the “Batch” mode, I lose the input/output options; Therefore, I'm unsuccesful when I try to direct the newly processed files to a new file folder! They all end up in the same file.... very cluttered and undecernable!

3. The purpose of Batch mode is to designate many files that you want to join together to eliminate track separations... It doesn’t seem to work to accomplish this end... what am I doing wrong??? after Rendering, the widow tells me they are "all processed"... but I only find individual track/files... not one long file with all the individual tracks joined as one... ready for editing.

I must be doing a bunch of things wrong!!! just can't figure it out!

Can anyone point me in the right direction?? Thanks.. Tom

[Malcolm Stewart]

I can record a great concert on my new Sony NH1. ... I have installed SonicStage, HiMDRenderrer, and Audacity.  Theoretically, I should be able to upload the live recording to my computer with Sonic Stage, then convert my multitrack live recording to one wave file using the "batch" feature of HIMDRenderer, then use Audacity to edit and create separate wave files for each song.  Then I'll use Nero to burn a great CD....  unfortunately, its not that easy.  I've spent many hours trying to get this straight and still... no luck.

I must be doing a bunch of things wrong!!! just can't figure it out!

Can anyone point me in the right direction??  Thanks.. Tom

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Have just seen your post.

I'm definitely not the world's expert but I have successfully joined two files. I don't use the batch mode of Hi-MDRenderer. I downloaded the free version of WavePad (it's more than sufficient for this) and once you've loaded one file, place the marker at the point where you want the second to start, and load that. It joins on seamlessly. Then play and edit as required. The zoom facility is useful for this.

Save to .wav or .mp3 (with a free downloadable .dll file), and burn to CD.

If necessary, I rename using Windows Explorer tools.

Hope this helps.

[dex Otaku]

1.  With Sonic Stage, I can’t seem to transfer the files and rename the tracks... they are always untitled(1),(2) etc...  There are a couple of places where I try to rename the tracks as a group, but they always come out "Untilted (1),(2), etc.

HiMDRenderer Questions:

1.  Can’t change the name of the trac!  The remain Untitled(27); Untitled (28)! (same problem as #1 above);

Read the uploading FAQ. The info on how to prevent this is in there.

see here: http://forums.minidisc.org/index.php?showtopic=7436

Specifically, look for the section titled "PRE-UPLOAD HINTS TO EASE THE PROCESS."

2.  When I use HiMDRenderer, I’m supposed to designate the “input” and “output” sources...; but when I use the “Batch” mode, I lose the input/output options;  Therefore, I'm unsuccesful when I try to direct the newly processed files to a new file folder!  They all end up in the same file.... very cluttered and undecernable!

Consider this: copy the files you need to convert to a 'working' folder; point HiMDRenderer at that folder, select the files you need, convert them, then erase the 'working' OMA copies.

3.  The purpose of Batch mode is to designate many files that you want to join together to eliminate track separations...  It doesn’t seem to work to accomplish this end... what am I doing wrong???     after Rendering, the widow tells me they are "all processed"... but I only find individual track/files... not one long file with all the individual tracks joined as one... ready for editing.

Well, in the first place, batch mode is not for joining tracks together. It's for transcoding/converting multiple -files- at the same time, which has nothing whatsoever to do with joining tracks.

If you want all the tracks joined as one:

* upload the tracks from your HiMD to Sonicstage

* back up the tracks by converting to WAV [sS 3.0] or using HiMDRenderer or Wave Converter [pre 3.0]

* delete the tracks from the original disc [this enables SS's editing functions on the uploaded tracks]

* in the SS library, select all the tracks you want together as one file, go to the EDIT menu, and hit 'combine'

* NOW use HiMDRenderer [or convert to WAV from SS, or use Wave Converter] to make all those tracks a single WAV file

* do your editing, assured that since you combined the tracks properly, you should get gapless playback with your end result [unless you split them up again, that is]

Sorry your post got lost in the frey and it took this long to reply.

[Christoph]

If you want all the tracks joined as one:

* upload the tracks from your HiMD to Sonicstage

* back up the tracks by converting to WAV [sS 3.0] or using HiMDRenderer or Wave Converter [pre 3.0]

* delete the tracks from the original disc [this enables SS's editing functions on the uploaded tracks]

* in the SS library, select all the tracks you want together as one file, go to the EDIT menu, and hit 'combine'

* NOW use HiMDRenderer [or convert to WAV from SS, or use Wave Converter] to make all those tracks a single WAV file

* do your editing, assured that since you combined the tracks properly, you should get gapless playback with your end result [unless you split them up again, that is]

Sorry your post got lost in the frey and it took this long to reply.

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Or if you want to have the control on how to combine them, convert them first with HiMDRenderer or Waveconversion and than combine them in Audacity, where you can set track marks and by this generate either one big wav-file or multiple files for burning to a CD.

While I don't know how SS3 combines the tracks in Audacity you have full control up to the microsec.

[dex Otaku]

SS, as with the editing features on al HiMD and MD units, combines tracks by joining them together. The resolution of the editing is limited by the length of the format's blocks; for instance, SP mode on MD's editing resolution is limited to just under 12 milliseconds.

With contiguous recordings made from a live source and uploaded to SS for later editing, this limitation is a total non-issue. While, yes, Audacity [as with any editor] will provide sample-accurate editing, I choose to use the combine feature of SS instead, as it skips the rather laborious and time-wasting process of mating tracks back together one at a time.

By taking contiguous sections and joining them in SS, you save quite a bit of time and lose no control over anything. You can still edit the tracks as you please in whatever software you use afterwards.

The really important point, however, is that gapless playback on CDs you've made yourself can only be maintained using an editor or CD authoring software that allows inserting trackmarks within that one contiguous file, or, alternately, by limiting all of your editing [if done on a per-track basis] to file lengths that match the exact 75fps of CD audio. Not all editors do this, and none that I have ever seen do it by default.

If you edit your tracks one at a time and change their length outside the parameters of CD audio's 75fps, you will end up with glitches between them when attempting to write them to CD as one file per one track of audio.

While it's handy to have sample-accurate editing, such is not compatible with maintaining gapless playback in contiguous sections of audio.

Since many of us use HiMD to record live events, my assumption is that with most of them it will be desirable to be able to hear them as continuous pieces, as they were originally recorded.

If what you are uploading and editing is not contiguous, however, this isn't even relevant. Individual tracks that don't run into one-another need not be combined.