Exporting Tracks

[scipio]

I want to upload self recorded tracks to SonicStage from an NH900 via USB, export to a PC folder for editing with a track editor (e.g. Audacity) and then import back into SonicStage for compilation and downloading to minidisc.

Could someone advise if that is possible please, or will I have to upload to the PC directly via LineOut in realtime and edit before importing to SonicStage?

Many thanks

[dex Otaku]

Refer to the uploading FAQ in the "HiMD essential info" subforum, in the HiMD forum.

Welcome to the forum, btw.

[scipio]

I want to upload self recorded tracks to SonicStage from an NH900 via USB, export to a PC folder for editing with a track editor (e.g. Audacity) and then import back into SonicStage for compilation and downloading to minidisc.

Could someone advise if that is possible please, or will I have to upload to the PC directly via LineOut in realtime and edit before importing to SonicStage?

Many thanks

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Unfortunately, as I understand what I have read and tried, Sony stress that SonicStage V3.x is for US only and V2.3 is for Canada similarly. Sony also emphasise that their Wave Conversion Tool is for "the United States and Canada". Not living in those parts of the world, I have to make do with V2.1.

HiMDRenderer, according to marcnet (and he should know), requires at least V2.3 (which I cannot have), is only Alpha, therefore experimental, is "not guaranteed to work" and may "trash tracks". My posting was asking if anybody knows of a USB way to import/export/edit and reimport, and could say so in simple language - experts sometimes forget how difficult it can be for a newcomer to make sense of piles and piles of often irrelevant advice.

Sony obviously intended MiniDisc to be a modern replacement for commercial vinyl and CDs - all it can really do is manipulate final edited tracks into different album compilations. Hence the reliance on freeware and helpful contributors by those who want to use it for their own work before handing control to Sony. I can live with LineOut - I just hoped there might be more.

Thanks for the welcome.

Edited March 17, 2005 by scipio

[dex Otaku]

To my knowledge, the only significant difference [other than language support, possibly] between the different Regionalised versions of SS is that they change where the Connect page directs you to.

I'm in Canada, and have -never- downloaded a Canadian version of SS. Why? Why bother! I'd have to stick with an older version just for a feature I will never use [Connect].

As to how to import/export without using SS, try looking in the HiMD upload FAQ. It describes three methods that don't use SS's upload features, down in that section titled "dex's options for paranoid users." No offense, but if you had actually spent the 5 minutes reading those "piles and piles of often irrelevant advice" you would have found more than one variation of exactly what you're looking for.

The uploading FAQ is here:

http://forums.minidisc.org/index.php?showtopic=7436

In any case, you don't actually have to stick with SS 2.1, unless you can't read English, which you obviously can [and can write it quite well obviously, as well]. If you have troubles installing SS 2.3 or 3.0 from the Connect.com site because of your region, there are links in software forum here to packaged installs of both.

Cheers.

[scipio]

To my knowledge, the only significant difference [other than language support, possibly] between the different Regionalised versions of SS is that they change where the Connect page directs you to.

I'm in Canada, and have -never- downloaded a Canadian version of SS.  Why?  Why bother!  I'd have to stick with an older version just for a feature I will never use [Connect].

As to how to import/export without using SS, try looking in the HiMD upload FAQ.  It describes three methods that don't use SS's upload features, down in that section titled "dex's options for paranoid users."  No offense, but if you had actually spent the 5 minutes reading those "piles and piles of often irrelevant advice" you would have found more than one variation of exactly what you're looking for.

The uploading FAQ is here:

http://forums.minidisc.org/index.php?showtopic=7436

In any case, you don't actually have to stick with SS 2.1, unless you can't read English, which you obviously can [and can write it quite well obviously, as well].  If you have troubles installing SS 2.3 or 3.0 from the Connect.com site because of your region, there are links in software forum here to packaged installs of both.

Cheers.

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Your reply is offensive - there was no need for that.

I have read the postings etc - the FAQs state specifically for example, in addition to those I listed above, "continue at your own risk [which includes randomly trashed uploads]". Since I and not you would bear the consequences of failure I prefer to ask for advice from knowledgeable people who are prepared to be helpful.

You will know, since I am sure you have read the postings, that your location in Canada makes you irrelevant to my query. You will also know that "dex's options for paranoid users" make it very clear why I was asking for help.

[ozpeter]

It must be pretty heartbreaking for people here who have spent a great deal of time on preparing FAQs and answering replies when someone comes storming in and tells them that they don't like the comprehensive advice offered and the eminently clear answers they have been given. You don't have to spend much time reading here to know that the FAQ you have been directed to contains all possible options. If there were others, they would be known to people here (who are universally acknowledged as the prime source of such information) and would be included in the FAQ. Why would they want to keep it a secret from you?

Edited March 18, 2005 by ozpeter

[dex Otaku]

Your reply is offensive - there was no need for that.

I apologise for seeming offensive. I do tend to get somewhat indignant when I point users to the precise answers to their issues, and they not only promptly ignore the answers, but criticise what they either didn't even read, or didn't understand, rather than asking for clarification.

[Note: "I need help!" is not asking for clarification. "What do you mean by blah blah blah in step 4 of blah?" is asking for clarification.]

I have read the postings etc - the FAQs state specifically for example, in addition to those I listed above, "continue at your own risk [which includes randomly trashed uploads]". Since I and not you would bear the consequences of failure I prefer to ask for advice from knowledgeable people who are prepared to be helpful.

Indeed, it isn't my intent that you go risking your recordings. It is my desire that you read the directions on how to transfer your recordings to your computer, using either analogue or digital means, which are in the FAQ. Your original query basically asked me to rewrite the FAQ, which I'm not going to do. If you don't understand some part of it, please, just ask for clarification. Doing so would also improve the FAQ, since any clarification would be incorporated in it.

None of these methods will put your recordings at risk, and none of them depend on your using any specific version of SonicStage [other than one which is recent enough to support control of your Hi-MD unit].

You will know, since I am sure you have read the postings, that your location in Canada makes you irrelevant to my query. You will also know that "dex's options for paranoid users" make it very clear why I was asking for help.

First, how does my being in Canada make me irrelevant to your query?

To the best of my understanding, SonicStage is the same program and Windows [in its various incarnations] is the same operating system whether they are run on a computer in Buenos Aires, Frankfurt, Belfast, Toronto, Tokyo, or even, for that matter, on the moon. Changing the language does not alter the underlying programs, only their interfaces.

Second, "dex's options for paranoid users" is there because some users are paranoid that SS will trash tracks during upload. This appears, from where I'm standing, to apply 100% to your situation. And no, it doesn't make it clear to me why you're asking for help, since that exact section of the FAQ addresses the questions you've asked.

If my language is unclear or too technical, why not ask instead for clarification of what I said? Instead you appear to have ignored the answers I gave altogether, which seems odd to me, considering the fact that they are precisely what you were asking for.

Third, though I'm not sure from the context you use "I am sure you have read the postings" in, I'll point out that the original uploading FAQ was written by myself, and the updated version was partly written and subsequently fully edited by myself. I'm pretty sure I know its contents, if that's what you were inferring.

Again, if there's anything in there that is totally unclear, please point it out, and it will be changed.

I obviously don't understand what the problem is [it doesn't help that you haven't stated what it is]. Do you require Connect support for your region, which, as I also already said, is the only actual difference I've ever seen between the regional versions of SS, other than language?

Or is it that when you attempt to run the SS installer, it directs you automatically to the older version once it detects where you are connected from? If this is the case, I don't have a quick solution for you, but I would suggest watching this thread as it will eventually resolve this particular problem: http://forums.minidisc.org/index.php?showtopic=8183

If this is not the case, and you can go to http://sonicstage.connect.com/SonicStageInstaller.exe and it begins the install for SS 3.0 - then I fail to understand how being outside of the US or Canada limits your computer's ability to run it. With the exception of Sony's detection of certain ISPs and the country they're in, and the subsequent forcing the installation of the older version of SS - all you have to do is download and install it, as countless others around the world have already done.

As for what Sony say [uS and Canada support only] - Sony also say that they won't support SS users on other than factory-installed operating systems. This would leave something like 75% of users out of luck if they called for support and told the truth.

By your logic, Sony's stating that SS won't work in your country somehow erects a magical shield around it which repeals the laws of computing for only their software. To my knowledge, this is not the case [though it would certainly be an interesting world if it were possible]. Again, the countless users around the world who are already using SS 3.0 and have downloaded it from US servers would tend to back me up on this.

Regardless of what the case is, here are my suggestions to you:

* ignore what Sony said about support for the US and Canada

* download [hopefully] SS 3.0 from here: http://sonicstage.connect.com/SonicStageInstaller.exe

* install it and use it

* if you're still worried about losing your recordings, or if Sony/Connect limit you to downloading SS 2.1, then back them up first as detailed in the FAQ

* if something in the FAQ isn't clear, ask for clarification

Lastly, if what you were actually asking for in the first place was a tutorial on how to use Audacity, then I'd suggest looking here:

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/help/

[Christopher]

scipio, if you have any further issues, carry them via private messages to Dex or one of the other staff. We will help you personally on this matter as it has become slightly inappropriate to discuss publicly - I'm just not keen on this tone that has risen from this discussion.