dombird Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 i was interested in buying a netmd so i could copy all my music from my computer to minidisc for use in the car. usually i have to attach my current minidisc to the computer on the analogue input and record in real time. I thought buying a netmd would make this process much simpler and quicker, but am i right in thinking i have to use the nero method and first convert all my music to cdda format and then copy to the md (as i use aac and not mp3)? because this just doesn't seem practical and isn't worth the cost of a new md recorder to me if i can't download all of my tunes to the minidisc in a few minutes, which is the real purpose of the netmd. Does anyone know of a quicker method of dling aac files to a netmd, or will sony be supporting the aac format in the near future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazirker Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 Future sony programs might support AAC because it is going to rapidly become one of the leading audio formats. But then again, Sony tends to be morons about that sort of thing. What programs are you using to make your AAC files? I've been experimenting with the format but can't really seem to make progress. I can make AAC files, but they don't seem to be compatible with anything other than foobar. Any tips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dombird Posted July 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 sorry, i use an apple mac and itunes to import all my music, and aac is now the standard with apple. so i can't really make any suggestions for pc users. maybe try quicktime to convert your music, but you would probably need the pro version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 AAC can't possibly be standard with Apple... AAC is not even complete yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dombird Posted July 7, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 erm... do u even use an apple computer? didn't think so. aac is now the standard i'm afraid. ipods support it, quicktime supports it and itunes supports it (through quicktime). and it sounds pretty complete to me. "If you have QuickTime 6.2 or later installed, the DEFAULT encoding format is MPEG-4 AAC, a new, compressed format that rivals the sound quality of audio CDs. If you have an earlier version of QuickTime, the default format is MP3 (or whatever you last chose in Importing preferences)." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 AAC is not complete... there are, or have been, as many as half a dozen different development branches of different companies working on MP4/AAC audio encoding, and for the most part they're so different that they won't play at all on each other's decoders. "a new, compressed format that rivals the sound quality of audio CDs" That is complete, utter F*ing bullshit... AAC is psychoacoustic compression like MP3 and ATRAC. CDDA is uncompressed PCM format. Comparing lossy-compressed audio with uncompressed audio is an apples/oranges sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dombird Posted July 8, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 look mate, i'm not some geek who gives two shits about how many different versions of a codec there are, i'm just saying that if apple refers to it as there default format, then they must be fairly happy its complete. anyway, thats not the point, am i going to be able to transfer my aac files onto my minidisc in the near future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 9, 2003 Report Share Posted July 9, 2003 AAC is not complete... there are, or have been, as many as half a dozen different development branches of different companies working on MP4/AAC audio encoding, and for the most part they're so different that they won't play at all on each other's decoders. "a new, compressed format that rivals the sound quality of audio CDs" That is complete, utter F*ing bullshit... AAC is psychoacoustic compression like MP3 and ATRAC. CDDA is uncompressed PCM format. Comparing lossy-compressed audio with uncompressed audio is an apples/oranges sort of thing.i wonder why you're so fired up against aac. by "not complete," you mean the aac format has not standardized yet, right? well, that may be true. yet it is also absolutely true that aac is now a standard audio compression format for apple. even if you don't have a mac or ipod, go to the apple's vaunted music store, and see for yourself what they're selling. we all know that aac is a lossy compressed audio format, just like mp3 and atrac. in other words they're all inferior to uncompressed wav/aiff/whatever digital audio data. so actually the comparison is not like apples and oranges, which refer to incomparable things. it's precisely comparable and the uncompressed is better, no doubt. that's why they never claim that the compressed format sounds better than the compressed, and instead choose words like "rivals," "close to" or something like that. in so doing, they're actually aiming at other competitors in audio compression technology, i believe. if you think its BS, fine. but by today's advertising standards, i don't think its really that outrageous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazirker Posted July 9, 2003 Report Share Posted July 9, 2003 In Nren2k5's defense, if you are on a PC computer, AAC is miles away from being "complete." As he says, there are so many differences between different companies' compression codecs that they won't all play through the same audio player. I have AAC things that I encoded with psytel that plays great in foobar but nero won't recognize (I do have the Nero AAC/mp4 plugin,) I have stuff that nero will encode and recognize but foobar won't recognize it, and so on and so forth. The compatibility simply isn't there. Hopefully some of that will get resolved when Nero 6.0 comes out soon with a built-in, high quality AAC enc/dec. As for the Apple stuff...well, that's great if AAC is the official codec of Apple machines, good for you guys. However, noting that the point of this thread is AAC with NetMD and that Apple computers aren't even NetMD compatible, it's irrelevant whether or not Apple has AAC standardized. Having defended NRen2k5, now I gotta point out where I disagree with him. Comparing lossy and lossless audio formats is not apples and oranges, it's music either way. The lossless audio at what is considered "perfect, CD quality" gives us foundation to judge how well a compression format does its job. I personally find SP quality ATRAC to sound just as good as lossless audio, meaning 292 kbps ATRAC audio does its job and does it well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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