Unable to transfer or play recorded track from Hi-MD

[dex Otaku]

Here's a neat one:

I bring my MZ-NH700 home after doing some field recording, plug it in, select all and transfer it into SonicStage.

While making my editable files with Total Recorder, I note that one track is missing.

In SonicStage I go back to the transfers window, and open the folder from that particular series of recordings [it creates one folder/group per recording session, with pauses/t-marks creating separate tracks] and lo-and-behold, the track is there.

However .. its icon is slightly different from the rest on the disc:

I can play all the other tracks on the disc from the disc, as well as transfer them properly.

I cannot play this track from the disc. I can transfer this track to the computer, but it doesn't show up once it's completed.

The track's properties do not show anything unusual.

Is this some new form of TOC error? The tracks recorded -after- it in the same session are all fine.

Anyone got any ideas?

[jadeclaw]

I've had this happened to me as well, but I think I know, what it is.

It happened to me, when I was using some older BASF MD Maxima discs to transfer some vinyl stuff into SonicStage.

Hi-MD-mode is more sensitive to disc quality than old MD ever was because of the higher density used here.

Read errors can also manifest, when a file uploads without a problem but an error occurs, when you try to convert it to a different bitrate.

My recommendation: For live recordings, always use good quality blanks, like TDK, Maxell, Sony or Fuji. Stay away from Memorex, BASF and Taiwanese/Korean junk.

And don't use the oldest discs in your collection either. I don't know much about the HHB-blanks, but HHB claims that their discs have a much lower error rate than regular MDs.

About your non transferrable track: If it plays on the NH700, record it off the USB, if it doesn't play, you have to repeat the recording.

One word about transferring: If you have a valuable recording, that cannot be repeated, DON'T upload it, record it directly off the USB-playback.

Why? Because you can only upload a track once. Even if you tell SonicStage to leave a copy on the MD, you cannot upload it again. Not even to the same PC. Even if you delete the track from SonicStage, you cannot upload it again, despite the fact, that it is still in its entirety on the MD. And to edit it in SonicStage, you have to tell it to delete the original track from the MD and if SS crashes in that moment, the recording is gone. Already happened to me.

[dex Otaku]

Hm. Thing is, I was recording with the one Hi-MD disc I have - the one that came with the recorder - since none are yet available in Canada.

I had recorded on this disc maybe 6 times at that point. My usual procedure is to record on location, dump footage immediately upon getting home, then erase all.

I'm thinking that perhaps I bumped the recorder or moved it too quickly when it was going.

I'm seriously hoping that the one Hi-MD disc I have isn't crapola after only one week.

RE: recording via USB - I was actually aware of that limitation but hadn't thought about it in that way for some reason. THANK YOU so much for that advice - mainly because -every- recording I make can't be repeated exactly as it was.

[jadeclaw]

I don't think, that the included Hi-MD disc is toast after 6 rerecordings, I haven't had a prob with mine and it had quite some data runs...

[dex Otaku]

This is a crazy kind of idea - and I've since reformatted the disc and used it twice past the length when it had the error - but what do you think running disk doctor might have done to it? [other than taking a realllly long time]

[jadeclaw]

I don't think so. If the disk doctor had damaged something, then the recorder itself had already complained.

I wouldn't worry now. If you want to be sure, make some testrecordings and check, if it uploads without error.

[dex Otaku]

No, no - I mean, do you think running disk dr. would have -helped-?

[m]

Hello,

I just bought my mz-h900 and quickly found out I couldn't upload my collection of field recordings. (should have read the former discussions on this board) My sollution is to make a copy from the old md to my Hi-md through an optical cable. This disc can be uploaded to my pc. This way I can keep the track marks and titles I had already put on the old md and I don't have to stay at my pc while recording/transferring the music. Is "recording directly off the USB-playback" also digital? does it avoid the digital/analog conversion? can you keep the track marks and titles?

m

[jadeclaw]

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No, no - I mean, do you think running disk dr. would have -helped-?

Nope. Disk Doctor can't repair these types of errors.

Especially, as not all data is visible to the operating system.

@m: Recording off the USB is digital, as the data is taken off on driver level. It doesn't see the soundcard before it is picked up.

However, the trackmarks are gone, you get one fat Wave-file, that is as long as the wave-recording software is recording, regardless what the MD is doing at the other end of the USB cable.

In other words, you have to edit the resulting file into individual files again.

If you go the other way, OldMD --> Hi-MD --> Upload into SonicStage, then you'll keep the trackmarks and the tracks will show up as individual tracks. Tracknames will not be copied from OldMD to Hi-MD. But titling is easy in SonicStage...