Breepee2

Perhaps it's an idea to say it clear the first time. I still can't understand what you're trying to say. But I think I can deduce it's way offtopic What does it matter to you how many codecs are supported? Just pick the one that you want to use, for some thats Atrac3Plus, for some MP3, and for some lossless compressed. Everybody is happy I can't really see any disadvatages to a FLAC-like codec.

errrrrr... right...., have you actually read my post? And I understand they cant support unlimited codecs, but supporting a codec isn't really all that difficult. I'm not sure how big the codec base is now, but there's probably room to add (a chip with) 100kb of FLAC support or something like that. And supporting some lossless codec makes sense, since there's no codec alike already supported. Adding another lossy codec would make less sense, since there are already 2 (3 if you count Atrac3Plus seperate).

Exactly what I thought. With proper marketing and of mp3-support (o wait, it's already there!) I think it could be a real competitor to the likes of iPod. I only want 1 thing more on my HiMD: native support for some compressed lossless format (Like iPod do with Apple Lossless).

Why? Compressing VBR means having a relativily large datapool in the ram to compress and write to disk. With CBR the datapool doesn't need to be large and can be written directly to disk. OK, it could be done, but it would eat you batteries and requires a pretty fast CPU and more ram. Would make it too expensive I think. If it does, I probably get a heart attack of delight

Probably isn't there (yet) because of compressing complexity. Then again, to be frank, Atrac has had it's time. Better develop Atrac 4 which maybe could compete again with other lossy formats like Vorbis or Musepack or Lame at least. But I think the future lies in compressed lossless. Space becomes less of an issue each year. With compressed lossless you win about half of the space for free, seems ideal to me. When a HiMD-player with compressed lossless comes out, I'll be buying one instantanious

I dont think processing power and VBR is the issue anymore (mp3 vbr is supported and eats more cpupower while decoding than FLAC). Of course Sony could make a resource-friendly format (or use .pca, but I don't know anything about that). All HiMD units have a shock-memory, right? Should be able to compensate the VBR'ish nature of compressed lossless, and if not, just increase it a little bit. The longer I'm thinking about it, the better an idea it seems. MD's (even the old ones) would be a bit-perfect next-gen archiving method, and even usable in portables. Of course recording in compressed lossless would be nice too, but that requires cpu-power which would be very unpractical considering battery-life. Recording in PCM, uploading, compressing, downloading back would be 'easier' I guess.

I was just thinking if the new Hi-MD's are indeed what I want, or just another new thingy. I keep my music on hard disks. Since I don't want to bother with evolving lossy codecs and reripping every time I pick a new one, I keep my music in FLAC, a lossless compressed audio format (seach google if you don't know what it is). As a matter of fact there a many compressed lossless formats out there, but of course their sound quality is all bit-identical. It just comes down to features, and FLAC was seekable (and open source, always a Good Thing) so I chose that one. I was thinking, well I have a lot of old MD-discs which I could reformat to about 300MB and put a lot of music on them. In mp3 since that's the better codec these days. Then I thought, why are 1GB discs so expensive (well, compared to CDR's)? If I could chose, I'd put lossless files on my discs but then the only option is PCM and that would mean buying a lot of 1GB discs and is a little old technology (lossless audio can be compressed to about 55-60%). Then I remembered that an average album in FLAC takes about 300MB, which is about as big as a reformatted old MD! Eureka! In this way I could have lossless audio on old (cheap) MD's just like I used to have them in Atrac SP, but now lossless of course. Considering even Apple has added it's own lossless format in addition to 'raw' PCM (in an AIFF container that is possible too the iPod) why not Sony in it's 3rd-gen HiMD units? I suppose they'll make a custom form of lossless like Apple, or just go with FLAC (which is very resource freindly when encoding and some mp3-players support it already). Of course recording wouldn't be an option, since it's VBR and eats lots of cpu-power. It would be a download-only format. Anyway, isn't this a great idea? Instead of 80 minutes of SP now (almost) 80 minutes of lossless audio (OK, probably closer to 60 minutes, but hey) on an old MD?

That's indeed a very plausible candidate for a future generation, only 1.3MP is _very_ low resolution. When I compare the DH10P to the RH10 it has been stripped of its inputs and has an added 1.3MP camera. For that I pay $200. For $200 I can buy a pretty decent camera with more megapixels. Depending on DH10P's image quality, a seperate one probably gives much better results.

I like the red Pitty that the camera is so low-res. 1.3M pixel.. that's like a webcam almost.

Still no dimensions? I'm dying to find out.

Well I wouldn't mind bigger at all, but for music, I doubt a 1GB disc will be not enough for my needs (unless they become as cheap as normal discs and I can just fill the with PCM ). If they'll release movies on it then I'd like 5GB versions indeed THAT would be reel nice!

I'll be buying one definitly. I'm still on an old Sharp MT190, which sounds good, but recording takes a while. I'll just put up nice lame mp3's with preset extreme and enjoy the sound.

German, tssk, you stepped on my toe there. It's obviously Dutch! And there's nothing new on, in fact, it we're it all came from

I hope there's gonna be a Linux version.

The RH10 also has better batteries, and I expect it to be thinner, but the exact sizes I don't know. I think that Sonicstage supports ATRAC / MP3 / WMA / WAV and the machine ATRAC / MP3. I don't know where my source got it.

Typically the UK is on par or cheaper than The Netherlands. So I think 200 pounds is more realistic, provided these prices will be actual retail prices, and not, as steenweg.nl says (MDfreak's source), recommended retail prices.

Do something wild and go check google for the exchange rate.

I've seen the MZDH10P also in some release list. Don't know anything about it though. Anyone? The RH10 is going to get me off my MT190. Finally MP3-playback and a supersexy Oled display and not so expensive. Sony, I think you might be seeing the light!

MZ-RH10 Features: • HI-MD WALKMAN with large Organic EL Display • MP3 / Atrac3plus direct playback • Transfer up to 45 CD’s onto a 1GB HI-MD disc (with ATRAC compression) • SonicStage for easy music management and unlimited check outs of your favourite tracks • Supports all popular digital audio compression formats: ATRAC / MP3 / WMA / WAV • New type remote control • Record from multiple source: USB-in / Mic-in / Analogue-in / Digital-in • Extreme fast music transfer from and to PC: 1 CD in less than 40 seconds • Capable to store audio, video and data files on your HI-MD disc (Word, Powerpoint, ATRAC, MP3, JPEG, MPEG, etc) • Incl. Charging stand, AC Power Adpater • Long battery life of 32 hours • G-PROTECTION Jog Proof MZ-RH910 Features: • HI-MD WALKMAN with large 5 line LCD display • MP3 / Atrac3plus direct playback • Transfer up to 45 CD’s onto a 1GB HI-MD disc (with ATRAC compression) • SonicStage for easy music management and unlimited check outs of your favourite tracks • Supports all popular digital audio compression formats: ATRAC / MP3 / WMA / WAV • New type remote control • Record from multiple source: USB-in / Mic-in / Analogue-in / Digital-in • Extreme fast music transfer from and to PC: 1 CD in less than 40 seconds • Capable to store audio, video and data files on your HI-MD disc (Word, Powerpoint, ATRAC, MP3, JPEG, MPEG, etc) • Incl. Rechargeable batt., Charging stand, AC Power Adpater • Long battery life of 25 hours • G-PROTECTION Jog Proof MZ-RH710 Features: • HI-MD WALKMAN with 3 line LCD display • MP3 / Atrac3plus direct playback • Transfer up to 45 CD’s onto a 1GB HI-MD disc (with ATRAC3plus compression) • SonicStage for easy music management and unlimited check outs of your favourite tracks • Supports all popular digital audio compression formats: ATRAC / MP3 / WMA / WAV • New basic remote control • Record from multiple source: USB-in / Analogue-in / Digital-in • Extreme fast music transfer from and to PC: 1 CD in less than 40 seconds • Capable to store audio, video and data files on your HI-MD disc (Word, Powerpoint, ATRAC, MP3, JPEG, MPEG, etc) • Long battery life of 25 hours • G-PROTECTION Jog Proof