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Hello, I will return it ,and buy a new RH1. But I think real time recording is very bad choice,because I have recorded it through headphone to the line in of Iriver H-140,hoping that it can save the file more completely and ignore the gap problem,and I use wav to record.The sound is really not good. I ask the owner to test it in his PC to confirm is this the PC problem. Thanks

Hello again: I have do two more testing of line in recording ,the same type like before,PCm.Now I turn on Time mark at 15 minutes,the two recordings of 30 minutes,but the result surprised me totally,the first is all can be uploaded without problems ,the second ,however,is the same error:read data error.Just wonder why now even 15 min .file is forbidden to upload,I think I definitely cannot use this to record,it will messed up all my recording. I will return it anyway. But still not know what cause these.

I have also think if it keep the time mark on is a solution,but since I found combining again in Computer is really annoying and time consuming(and it also use my computer resources much),do you think is it possible to delete the time mark in the walkman previously before upload?Does this not good ,but I have heard you advised not to do so,but not know is it still like this in Sonicstage 3.4? And I think it is not computer problem,because it is only the gap area cannot pass sonicstage.I think if it is the computer as the cause,then why the gap also exist at the point and can play back the gap on the walkman and reveal really the stop area has a gap there,it seems there is a cause and effect relation with location of the gap and the location of the upload error . But if you have ever has this gap occured in your recording,but still is able to upload to Sonicstage,then I think this "really" is because my computer or my sonicstage problem.Does you have this experience ever?The gap is three to four seconds of silence,like hanging ,all of sudden the sound play again. Before the gap all is normal,and after the gap is also norma. I also have thought of it as write error,but sonicstage 3.4 have been known to solve this bug,therefore it is not write error,I guess: ** handling of tracks with known write errors [known problem] Unexpected results here - uploading went straight through write errors with no problems at all. The resulting tracks have clicks where the errors were. Tracks are playable on the unit both beforehand and after. ** But I think it also can be write error,but only my computer refuse to cooperate with the improved version of sonicstage!But do you think it is normal to have write error in every disk I have recorded?I have tested around 10 disks of Hi-md Pcm ,all of them at 45 minutes lenght without time marked on,then do you think it is normal of this write error,I have (at least)one gap in each 45 minutes recording.I think if it is PC problems,then even a new and normal workable unit cannot help me either! I searched from forum know that someone have to use Time mark like this to prevent the recording error,he also guess that might be a problem existed in 2nd generation.Therefore I think I will buy a RH1 next time,hope this problem will not exist more.(but it will exist if it the PC problem) How to combine track in sonicstage,for example ,if I have six tracks ,I usually use CTRL key to hightlight 1,then 2,then3....,but can I just use SHIFT key to highlight only 1 and then 6,to skip the 4 steps in between,I have not tested this because manual did not said it can,I fear the order will be messed if use shift key. Thanks your reply,you are very kind,help me a lot of time.

Hello, I have another test ,I use one new hi-md to start recording using mic in,pcm format,but this time I record non-stop for 44 and 35 minutes,and 5 minutes. The 44 min and 35 min:I do not use time mark all the way,and not touching it to prevent any possible of vibration,but when uploading,again it stoped at the 50s % both of them,it completely fail even in mic in. The other test I record only 5 minutes, but using my hand to move the player in order to create some vibration,but even like this,it can upload very good. DO you think it really is the length make it cannot uploading?if it is ,then I think I have to press the button when recording every 15 minuts,then I think I will never enjoy anymore the lectures,because my mind have to worry that I will forget to time marking. Thx,dissapointingly,My iriver h-120 never have this serious mistake even the sound might not as good as hi-md!!

Hello: I tried two new disk recording hour ago,The first one without towel,the second one with a thick towel under player ,and leave the table completely stable also,record in PCM,about 45 minutes,.The result is the first one stop at about 70 % ,the second one (with towel prevent vibration )the same,stop at 76% percent. And the time of the problem gaps occur at different time,one at 17 min the other at 40 min,the same kind of recording,but use two different new disk to test. I also tried move my player to another much more stable area(not the table ),but the result also un-uploadable. Then I use external mic record some Tv show for 1 hour, use T-mark it per 15-20 secs,then all the three recordings (time mark as three parts )successfully upload to my computer. Therefore I suppose the player cannot stand long hour recording,isn't it? I will use time mark to transfer the tapes,and try to see if it can help,but if the sound is continuously recording ,then I suddenly press the button,will it led to lose of some signal?I even fear this action will make even more gap because of vibration. thx

Dear A440, Thanks your reply.I can hear the gap in the disk from the player,therefore I can use the T-mark in walkman to edit it ,cut the gap from other normal sound. I use line in because I transferred tapes cassette to make it digital ,use a plug to connect Hi-fi cassette player.The tapes I used is nearly new,because I have heard it only one-two times before,I also fear to test using the tapes again,since I fear too much trials will wear and deteriorate the tapes further(they are quite expansive ,nearly US$8 dollars per tapes,but I have no other cheaper tapes for testing)I transfer the tapes to digital because I fear it will wear and deteriorate with more playback. I have rebooted the computer and closed the firewall and anvirus,and the uploading is still fail to read the data. I use the blue tranparent case Hi-md new disk to record,which was bought from sony store. The Rh10 have not been dropped on the floor according to the previous owner. I used the external AA battery attached when recording,but plug it out when uploading. My PC is very fast one,and have enough space.1.60GHz,512MB Ram. my cassette hi-fi player is also new,just bought this year. Thanks . I will report my test later to you.

I have bought some new Hi-md ,but the uploading process still pause at the midst,I am now feel afraid of buying a new Rh1(which I plan to do so),because if it also cannot upload to my computer,then I think it might be a big difficulty for me,as I use it only mainly want to upload to pc for futher use.Do you think new one will also like this? I also did not touch the table which place my recorder on it to ensure it is free of shock.And I do not open other program when transfer to ensure it is not low resources,but still have no hope. Do you know why there always have some gaps in the recording?Because of this gaps,sonicstage refuse transferring and report error of "fail to read data"!!!! I hope someone can help me . Thanks

I have uninstalled SS 4.0 and install SS.3.4 ,but when I tried another disk,(not the problem one),I have two track recorded on it,but both cannot be transfered as the same problem:cannot read data error,I think this really the problem of disk.NOw I think next time buying good reputation disk will be life saving,do you think which brand of Hi-md is best ?(the problem disks were given to me free with my second hand Rh10) I have also failed to copy the atdata in the Hi-md directory to my hard drive, it have error message.Therefore it cannot overwrite it by transferring first to hard drive,if anyone have success by other method,please help me,now I have to spend many time to fix it by searching the problem area to remove it,that is time consuming works. And the cutting area will have artifacts and lost some data as it is not perfect. I also want to know would it have mishape or artifact after combining many tracks?I use line in to record speech,of cause speech have silence,therefore end up with numerous track that have been combined. Could I use realplayer or Window media player to transfer it back to my computer?Or other solution other than sonicstage. Thanks

I used the sonicstage 4.0 to transfer pcm recording from Rh10,it only can transfer up to 60% ,then it stop and said"Failed to Read data",what is the solution?why it will happen,I have tried several time,and have tried to reinsert the disc,but still the same stopping at 60% and failed to read message. The disc I used not new,but I formatted it from RH10,is this the disc problem,how to do now? I have copied the atdata to my hard drive( members suggestions I searched from forum),but when nearly the same lengh of the data the copy stop here,message of error come out. Finally I T-mark the disk into seperate parts to test which part have problems,then the problem part have a pause on the disk(or a empty jump),which cannot play in sonicstage,but can be play in player as a space before audible audio.And then I combine all other parts except this problem part,that take me hours work and really painful.I think I would not use the disk again to record.It is really unlucky to have these sort of disk. Thanks

Hello: I wonder whether can I use rechargable battery with the gumstick battery together in RH10?I searched the threads showed that it will damage the gumstick battery ,isn't it true? But I think it might prevent the damage if I only charge the gumstick when charging ,and use seperate charger to charge the AA battery,then it will no problems and will not cause damage,isn't it? Or when I use usb,then I usually will not using with the external AA rechargable battery,then does it also prevent the conflict of the two battery? I also bought the rh1 external battery emergency box from gomadic,can I use it with Rh10 ?(the motorola R model in Gomadic com)it seems Rh10 can also be usb charged. I also want to know if I use computer while transferring (uploading)recording from player to pc,or from pc to player,then will the quality of the file will be affected?Have I need to close the application to transfer,but I think it is very inconvenient,as I always need to work with PC.If no bad effect,then I will always using both at the same time. The recording quality of Rh10 is excellent,I record some tapes to pcm,I found the result is really better than using computer soundcard to transfer.I bought the secondhand Rh10 last week. But I felt the mp3 was not great sounding,nor when it convert to atrac plus 256(I think I will order Rh1 when it is available in my area),therefore I need to convert some mp3 to pcm in order to listen to it(I only found this acceptable) But anybody know is there a diffirent in quality of recording between the different model,like NH1,Rh10,and Rh1.I have learned from someone that the recording in NH1 is better than Rh10,is this truth.(they compare the recording using the same hi-md player,therefore is not because it is High digital amp). Thanks for this forums,I found very useful information from it. I have studied threads for several days to learn.

Thanks,I found a lot of info in the forum. Since I have already bought a new H140 ,therefore my money is tight now,so thinking buying NH700 that has the same recording quality as rh1 would be a good idea(the not remembering setting is minor ,it doesn't matter to me)I will use Iriver for playing audio and use Hi-md for recording purpose. But do you think Rh1 is worthing ,may be it has playback which quality that is even better than my Iriver hXX?If it does,adding money will be worthing however.If they are similar,might be NH700 will be sufficient.

I find the MZ-NH700SHERE really economic. I suddenly want to buy it,but is there any difference in recording quality than the Rh1?I think Rh1 have better mp3 playback ,but does it also has better recording specification or hardware that is compare to 700s?( I am attracted by the AA battery ,does it have shorter recording time than Rh1 battery? )Any other shortcomings? Thanks

Thanks for your advice. I am afraid I cannot buy from ebay or gomadic,because I do not have card,and do not have friend to buy for me(we are not secure to do so). If you have other links that can pay on money order,please suggest here.Thanks.

Thanks for your reply. I am going to buy it,but do you know it does that need to buy other tip to use with Rh1?OR just order the product and the tip provided with it?(to fit the plug in Rh1?) I think gomadic is better for me,and more durable and need not to change it after several years using.(than the internal battery of the other two)

Hello: I am going to buy a battery extender for Rh1,and find this helpful one from the thread here Does anybody know that how lond the battery increase compare to original charging,when recording battery is a critical factor. I also found these two from soundpro: MAC-IP-A481 LEN-PPU1700B But do not know what the differnence than the first one. Which one will you buy if you are me? But I also worry the next two ,since they do not use AA battery,therefore I concern them will be more short life time ,isn't it?Because I suppose the build in battery will die someday,isn't it? After reading the product page,I am still have no idea of the last two battery that whether their internal battery can be easily replaced or like the IRIver player that is built in ?But they add very much hours to the recording time. I want to compare these three model and choose which one is the most durable and long lasting? Thanks

I really thanks for all the reply and kindful help. I buy mono because the mic if in stereo need extra $90,it seems to me is a large amount of money. This mic: mt830-sp I am not knowing whether it is best ,but it seems the noise ratio is high:70 dB,I suppose it can give me less noisy recording than other,but it said mono only$95,stereo add $90! The spec is here Specification But I do not know do I still need a stereo adaptor if buying mono? And can this mic used with Rh1 without battery or preamp?Directly plug in the mic in jack of RH1,I does not have any md player,so I just guess it will work. Would this mic too sensitive and make clipping easily(but I use record lecture only,not loud sound anyway), I also assume it has more quiet and less noise,just I guess it because the provided spec! But I think careful research is necessary,therefore posted here before buying it. I also have a question,If I choose a mic for RH1,some mic has high and low sensitive option,then which type should I choose would be suitable?If with preamp should I choose High Sen. and if WITHOUT preamp should I choose Low Sen? Thanks for the patience for reading my post.

Hi: I want to buy a mono mic,but not sure if Rh1 can use with this,does the 1-gb disk record with mono mic. If I mostly record lecture,(very rarely will record mucical ceremony,but this occassion really rare),then do you think the mono mic will affect the quality,I am far away from the voice source,and always there is two person I have to record:professor and a translator.just wonder would stereo is better(but more expansive also) I just want to make sure mono mic is compatible with Rh1 before buying it. Very thanks

Thanks for your reply I bought H-140 have the purpose to record teachings,but I think I have not thoroughly knew that it has this shortcoming as a recorder. Not know is it cardioid or omni of the stock mic provided by Iriver,it is ordinary computer mic.That if I buy the combo from sound pro,then I would have to buy another mic (compare to mic only $30 included!) The T-30 have been complained very much in Iriver forums of very low volume recording,and I also do not like the 1-2gb capacity,therefore will not consider it. The overall voice can be listened clearly afterward,but I think in case if the lecturer suddenly lower his voice,then even raise the highest volume will difficult to guess what he said(only occasionally problem). I have no choice but to place the mic near the floor(clip at my bag that is on the floor,because there is no desk ,we all sitting on the floor),therefore this will pick these noise. I have heard the testing preamp link above,it seems that the volume of internal mic preamp of Hi-md is comparable to preamp of Boostbox at the max gain,is,t it?(That mean I do not need to worry it would not get enough volume signla in case I cannot sit behind the professor!)It also stated Hi-md mic has -118 dbu preamp,that is even better than the preamp of SP-PASM2,isn't it?Might be the A/D converter would also better than H-140,I think it would be a very good recorder compared to H-XXX. Also,I am more fond of Rh1,therefore I will wait the stock to arrive ,our local store said it have twenty persons before me on the row of waiting! Thanks for your reply,I will weight the pro and con and my MONEY seriously .

Hi: I find the link:link I have heard the sample,really cannot find difference between preamped and mic in,I think this link is very informative,thanks. preamp(testing in link)Reactive Sounds Boost Box: S/N ratio 92 dBv SP-PASM-2(which I want to buy) Signal to noise ratio: 115 dBu I cannot compare their noise since dbv and dbu I cannot understand. I just want to ask would SP-PASM-2 have better s/n ration than the boost box,therefore more worthing? I find some reference as below from a site,but I still not understand. (Note: 0 dBv is equivalent to +2.2 dBu, where "v" is referenced to 1-volt RMS; "u" is ref'd to 0.775 Vrms, and, when applied to a 600-ohm load, yields 1 milliwatt, hence the "m" ref, which is based on the ye olde telephone standard.) Anyway,if the second preamp have the same result as the first one,then I think Buying Rh1 will be more worthwhile,as I think it playback is also very good quality in Hi-md unit.

Thanks all of the reply I have email to sound professional to get the answer (Q;which one is quieter and with less noise when recording low volume voice and environment?(H-140+preamp vs RH1) :He reply me: SP-PASM-2 (but I am afraid the $3o included mic would be noisy as well) As you said,the mic in of Rh1 have preamp also,I wonder is it in better quality than previous sony model.( the same hardware or improved one?)As I searched through taperssection,someone said sony md player also have noisy recording quality in quiet voice,etc.I hope it would not need to go to line in and get preamp after buying Rh1 again(that double my budget).As I use it to record the lecturer who is really quiet person and very often I just get a seat have a long distance from him,and the speakers in the ceiling often is not straight above my head!( in other words,I think it is to some extent like birdcalls then ,does this will add noise?but do you think preamp also will amplify the noise if in this situation?) But I use stock mic in H-140 ,therefore the quality of course is average. What the mic you think is sensitive and quiet enough to use with Rh1 ?or with H-140?If I can find one mic that can use on both player that would be most economic.I ask someone they recommended me the sound pro and audio technical mic to be very good,but exactly what model do you think is good? One mic is the mic included with preamp pack,(SP-PASM-2)it only $30 , High Sensitivity: Signal To Noise Ratio: >62 dB, 1 kHz at 1 Pa Dynamic Range: 95dB Frequency Response: 20 - 20,000 Hz +/- 1dB Open Circuit Sensitivity: -35 dB (5.6 mV) re 1V at 1 Pa Maximum Input Sound Level: 113 dB SPL, 1 kHz at 1% T.H.D. May be it is enough or not?I assume reading the signal to Noise ratio(higher is better)and open circuit sensitivity(lower is better) to determin how well a mic can record quiet sound without noise added?is there anything to read about other than that?Please let me know if it has. I also find spec in Rh1 : Spec link Line Input Signal To Noise Ratio 96dB Mic Input Signal To Noise Ratio 85dB Line Total Harmonic Distortion 0.05% Mic Total Harmonic Distortion 0.08% SP-PREAMP: Signal to noise ratio: 115 dBu EIN unweighted (quieter than built-in Walkman preamps) Harmonic distortion: 0.06% I think it can compare both spec. to get the s/noise ratio,however,in sp-preamp it base is dBu but int Rh1 is dB,therefore,not the same unit and hard to compare it noise level.Is it the really preamp can get quiet record if only see the above spec? I think use external preamp plug the line in is better than mic in jack anyway.Therefore it definitely better to use preamp than mic in of Rh1.If using line in in Rh1,it might get the same problem as Iriver,is it true?(very low signal with noise?) But it seems that the first one cannot clip at my handbag then it may difficult to stand on floor either,isn't it? Thanks your input!As I have too much questions !

Hello: Thanks your reply.I have bought Iriver H-140 ,but I find I have to raise the gain in rockbox to the extreme(45.5)and raise the volume to the highest when listening back the record.Therefore some people suggest me buy preamp and good mic,preamp. I want to know is it is worth to buy a preamp ,would you think buying Rh1 would give me more quality of record like less noisy and higher signal volume than this, as good preamp and mic is expansive .Have anyone know does rh1 be a better choice ,that I do not need to buy external preamp ,for recording quite speech (the speaker is very gentle and small voice usually,and far away from me).If it can definitely achieve good result than h-140 with good preamp(preamp class like the links given above) and mic.I only use up to 192 kbps in Iriver,for speech it is not too high bit rate,but only problem is when the gain raise to the 45.5 ,then the overall noise will also raise!

Is the hi-md can be reusable or rewritable?I think it is expansive if I record each time and have to have a new hi-md each time.Is there limit time of rewrite in the life of one hi-md?(as is the charger)How much can it use before it wear and damage?What sign can I notice is the disk still can be used or is unusable when the time go on?if repeated recorded on the same disk ,would the disk degrade overtime? If record in hi-sp (256),approximately how much hours one hi-md can hold before have to changing the disk?And the battery,how long it can record it this format,the manual says approximately 8-hours,is it true actually?

Hello metal: What microphone do you have for your RH1,I do not know which one is best (if in Hong Kong that can be found is best).How about ECM-MS907 ,is there any where in HK can buy ?or other series ,where to find?IN sony online store,there no this mic anymore,difficult to find! Thanks

I have waited already one month,but they said they do not know how long I have to wait,therefore I assume it might take one year or two,but after your post,I think I have confidence now,I will wait three months ,because it is much more cheaper ,but I really want to use it to record lecture,therefore wish to buy it as fast as possible,(but 3 months is OK) Thanks for your news.(I think black more cool and good looking than silver one!) But is there difference between Japan version and the version in other countries? Is it more durable or have other more superior qualities than average version ?Because if it is so,then more money spend on it would be preferable.

I am intend to buy RH1 from Japan version,but I am living in Hong Kong,then did I need to buy extra transformer or charger in order to use it. Or I just need to buy a traveler transformer so that to suit the three pin socket? Thanks