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The levels on a commercial CD should already have been optimised in the studio by the engineers/producers, so in theory you shouldn't need to set manual levels. You should get a 'faithful' recording (within the limits of MD) by recording at 0dB (ie. no manual increase).

Certain tracks might need bumping up or down, though, particularly if you're making a compilation from different sources, on soft tracks that have been recorded at low levels.

Also, I've found many older CDs (over 10 years old say) with AAD or ADD mastering have lower levels than modern recordings and have needed to be bumped up by as much as 12dB and didn't overpeak...

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Most older CDs have much lower average levels, because engineers at the time didn't have workstations like we do now and they were accustomed to dealing with analogue tape moreso than digital.

The end result is that older recordings tend to have more headroom [possibly without having used the top few dBfs], and usually MUCH larger dynamic ranges than most that are made now.

In theory, you shouldn't have to worry about digital recording levels when dubbing directly from CD to MD/HiMD. KJ is correct with what e says about making compilations, however. When mixing sources it's actually preferable to normalise [in the traditional sense, not in the more common sense of bit-pushing until there's no dynamic range left whatsoever] using editing software and then assemble the compilation. This way you can be assured that the average levels between tracks are relatively well-matched, rather than bouncing all over as much as 20dB.

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Thanks guys and lady for your info on this. I was wondering about this and you gave me a great idea about Guns And Roses Appetite For Destruction cd which is recorded really low I think it might benefit from bumping it up alittle, Thanks,POE

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Thanks guys and lady for your info on this. I was wondering about this and you gave me a great idea about Guns And Roses Appetite For Destruction cd which is recorded really low I think it might benefit from bumping it up alittle, Thanks,POE

The reason your Guns N Roses album is recorded at low levels (probably 89dB gain or lower) is that back in those days, they didn't bit-push the hell out of CDs just to make them as loud as possible. Be happy; your quiet album almost certainly sounds loads better than some of the brand new Redbook audio being released here in 2004.

When I rip CDs to compressed audio (for other devices besides MD) I had started using MP3Gain to lower the gain from what it usually is (on newer CDs it tends to be very close to 100dB!) to around 89dB. With MD this wasn't as feasable due to the low output power of MD portables' headphone amplifiers.

With the iPod, however... :laugh:

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I don't know what standard you're using for measuring the gain of tracks, aeriyn, but the only one anyone I know uses for digital audio is dBfs [full scale] where 0dBfs is the maximum amplitude recordable without distortion. I've never heard of anyone measuring things the way you're doing it. [And that's with 14 years working with digital audio in various ways]

Where did you find this method? And what is it based on? Considering the dynamic range of 16-bid audio is 96dB, how can something recorded in it have a "gain" of 100dB?

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