Endlezz Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Hello I'm new to the board. I'm wondering why they don't have an conversion bitrate just a bit below 256 Kbps since i just figured out its taking a lot of space. I don't want the 64 Kbps option since the sound quality is going to degrade significantly - I assume though i haven't tried it yet. Mp3 players have 224 and 192 bit rates and stuff but i'm wondering why the Hi Md doesn't.25 songs and its down to 700 Mb = p ... Its probably going to take 20 disk to store all my stuff = pThank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Welcome to the forums, mate. Why don't you just try ATRAC3 132kbps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endlezz Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Welcome to the forums, mate. Why don't you just try ATRAC3 132kbps?←Hello. Thanks for replying, i'll check that out. I'm using the mp3 conversion tool I got from the website. It only has those three options. But after I finish converting the mp3 files to the Sonic Stage software it shows different bitrates when i checked the each song's properties. I then change the conversion bit rate at the "transfer mode" option to something like 64 or 132 but after it finishes transferring the file to the MD player it ends up being 256 kbps. I just got this device today so I'm a beginner with it. Thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endlezz Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 (edited) Wait I think I got it going. Thanks a lot. But i'm wondering is there a point in choosing the bitrate while converting the mp3 to Sonic Stage compability since you get to choose the bitrate conversion rate while you transfer the song to the player. Also i don't see that 132 kpbs option after the mp3 files are transferred to the library. When i try to use the standard tranfer mode to change it to 132 it still ends up with the 256 kpbs bitrate. I tried the minimum bit rate conversion mode (48 kpbs) and it worked. But the other options doesn't work.Thanks Edited January 6, 2005 by Endlezz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael1980 Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 The conversion tool is so you can do it overnight say, for quicker transfer later. IMO the reason they did not have 128kbps Atrac3+ is that Sony did not want to cause confusion between it and LP2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endlezz Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 The conversion tool is so you can do it overnight say, for quicker transfer later. IMO the reason they did not have 128kbps Atrac3+ is that Sony did not want to cause confusion between it and LP2.←oh thx for replying = p ... i thought they did that so people who wanted higher sound quality will go out and buy more disks lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endlezz Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Ok after i converted my mp3 files with the conversion tool at 256 Kpbs. I had them in the library where it is then transferred to the mp3 player. I tried both 256 kpbs and 48 kpbs bitrate when i transferred them to the mp3 on the same song and both of them sound exactly the same. Either i'm tone deaf or something is wrong. I might transfer all of my song at 48 kpbs to my md player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endlezz Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Ok thanks guys, I think I got everything going. I'll use the minimum Kpbs bitrate when i convert them to my player since it sounds exactly the same. I'll just swap the headphones since it came with crappy buzzy ones. I tried it with my huge ass JVC ones and the sound quality was better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerodB Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 I tried both 256 kpbs and 48 kpbs bitrate when i transferred them to the mp3 on the same song and both of them sound exactly the same. Either i'm tone deaf or something is wrong. I might transfer all of my song at 48 kpbs to my md player.←The probable reason both formats sound the same to you is the fact that you're converting MP3 to ATRAC3.Because MP3 is compressed, the sound quality of MP3 is substantially diminished when compared to the original CD. Converting MP3 to ATRAC (also compressed) will reduce the sound quality EVEN FURTHER! So, to get the most out of your MD, why not just rip straight from the original cd to ATRAC? Even if you do decide to use 48kbps in the end, it's still a lot better to go from CD -> ATRAC than it is to go from CD -> MP3 -> ATRAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMBUSTERS Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 (edited) The probable reason both formats sound the same to you is the fact that you're converting MP3 to ATRAC3.Because MP3 is compressed, the sound quality of MP3 is substantially diminished when compared to the original CD. Converting MP3 to ATRAC (also compressed) will reduce the sound quality EVEN FURTHER! So, to get the most out of your MD, why not just rip straight from the original cd to ATRAC? Even if you do decide to use 48kbps in the end, it's still a lot better to go from CD -> ATRAC than it is to go from CD -> MP3 -> ATRAC.←in other words: MP3 transcoding is the devil! Edited January 9, 2005 by ROMBUSTERS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 You do raise an interesting point, Endlezz; Hi-SP through stereo is probably decent. I imagine it'd be great for cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMBUSTERS Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 You do raise an interesting point, Endlezz; Hi-SP through stereo is probably decent. I imagine it'd be great for cars.←ya that is if Sony ever releases a car deck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endlezz Posted January 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 heh thx for the replies. I'm going to try ripping of cds this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeriyn Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 If you're going to transcode MP3 to ATRAC, I suggest you use the highest bitrate available to you. Transcoding further degrades the audio signal and it is best to use the least-degrading option open to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 With SonicStage and its related software, there's the danger that you're not using the bitrate you thought you're using. If you find 48 and 256 to sound exactly the same, you might in fact be listening to one of them twice - do double check.The other possibility is that you're already satisfied with 48, and/or you don't really need 256. The sound will degrade when it's encoded twice, but can your ears hear the degradation? Go with what your ears are satisfied with.Sony's official roadmap suggests that they think 48 is comparable to MP3 @ 128, 64 is comparable to 192 MP3, and 256 is very near-CD.** IMO this is why they didn't set another bitrate between 64 and 256 for lay people use.** YMMV of course, but I definitely don't mind music re-encoded with A3+ 64. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMBUSTERS Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Sony's official roadmap suggests that they think 48 is comparable to MP3 @ 128, 64 is comparable to 192 MP3, and 256 is very near-CD.** IMO this is why they didn't set another bitrate between 64 and 256 for lay people use.←actually what they say is Atrac3+ 64kbps sounds close to MP3 128kbps and that 256 is again 'near CD' quality. they never even boast about 48kbps except to say how much you could fit on a disc using it and that it sounds better than MP3 or WMA at 48kbps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin42 Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 actually what they say is Atrac3+ 64kbps sounds close to MP3 128kbps and that 256 is again 'near CD' quality. they never even boast about 48kbps except to say how much you could fit on a disc using it and that it sounds better than MP3 or WMA at 48kbps←That's good... I was a bit worried about what they were drinking at Sony to be thinking 64kbps ATRAC = 192kbps MP3... ATRAC3+ at 64kbps sounds VERY VERY good *for a 64kbps codec* but nowhere near like a 192kbps MP3... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A440 Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 If you're just going to rip from CDs directly to MD, use Simple Burner, a real time-saver, and it doesn't fill your hard drive or My Library. Unfortunately you have to rip the whole CD at once. http://forums.minidisc.org/index.php?showt...l=simple+burner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobS Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 You do not have to do the whole CD. Unchedk the tracks you do not want and they will not be recorded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMBUSTERS Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 my problem with SB is that they force you to use either NetMD codecs or HiMD codecs and not a mixture of the two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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