Total Recorder Levels Question.

[emptyzero]

When transfering real time Hi-MD > USB > HDD under "paying volume and recording level" is it best to have the the Volume pushed to 100% and the Level down at 0%?

[ozpeter]

Have playback level where you like, recording level at 0dB 100% for accurate transfer. And you should be using the "software" setting if transferring via USB/SS playback.

[emptyzero]

I greatly appreciate your post, thank you.

With "sound board" > "stereo mix" selected that would be an analog transfer where as the "software" option is a digital transfer?

[ozpeter]

You'll get a digital transfer if you have your MD connected via USB and you are playing back with SonicStage while recording with TotalRecorder using its "software" method, and with the recording volume set to 100% 0dB. Using this method, TotalRecorder picks up the audio before it gets to your soundcard. If you use a lower recording volume, TR will process the audio to reduce the level and so the transfer will no longer be a bit-for-bit transfer.

It's possible to prove that that method provides a bit-to-bit equivalent to a transfer using SonciStage alone (setting aside the gap you get at track breaks).

But using the soundcard method, you'll be recording after your soundcard has performed an digital to analog conversion, and an analog to digital conversion as well (as I understand it). In that scenario the levels for both playback and recording have an effect on the final outcome.

There is a "third way" using a soundcard with its digital output connected to its digital input which can provide a digital transfer, but if you haven't got such a soundcard, forget it.

[dex Otaku]

You'll get a digital transfer if you have your MD connected via USB...

You mean Hi-MD, right? netMDs and HiMD with MD-mode discs do not play digitally over USB.

If you use a lower recording volume, TR will process the audio to reduce the level and so the transfer will no longer be a bit-for-bit transfer.

Directshow is likely what does it, not TR, though yes, this is quibbling.

There is a "third way" using a soundcard with its digital output connected to its digital input which can provide a digital transfer, but if you haven't got such a soundcard, forget it.

You need a deck with optical out and a sound adapter with optical in. Portables generally lack the optical output needed for this, and Hi-MD currently has only one offering [the ~$800 Onkyo midi system described in the announcements forum] with an optical output.

[ozpeter]

Indeed, I'm talking hi-md as mentioned in the first post (whew, for a moment I thought he'd said something else!)

As regards the "third way", I was referring to the technique I mentioned in this post which caused such excitement in the forum that the thread died an instant death.

[dex Otaku]

Indeed, I'm talking hi-md as mentioned in the first post (whew, for a moment I thought he'd said something else!)

As regards the "third way", I was referring to the technique I mentioned in this post which caused such excitement in the forum that the thread died an instant death.

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Ah yes - I'd never seen that post, myself.

[emptyzero]

Have playback level where you like, recording level at 0dB 100% for accurate transfer.  And you should be using the "software" setting if transferring via USB/SS playback.

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In the control panel --> audio and sound devices --> audio tab

I do have Sound Playback set to Playback through TotalRecorder as well as Sound Recording set to Record through TotalRecorder.

Followed these instructions from the "A Guide To Hi-md Uploading., Upload Hi-MD recordings the right way!" thread:

* Plug your HiMD recorder in via USB.

* Open SonicStage and go to the transfer window

* Open Total Recorder and press record

* Press play in SonicStage on the HiMD half of the screen

The show is playing through SS but not recording in TR.

I am using the Software setting in TR but might I have a setting wrong somewhere else?

many thanks for all of the help.

[ozpeter]

Sounds correct to me, so I can't immediately think why it doesn't work.

[emptyzero]

hmm I'll have to mess around with it some more.

[emptyzero]

should any of the sub boxes be checkmarked? right now the only one I have marked is "convert using recording parameters specified below" which I have set to 44.1/16 and my recording level is at 100% of the original (100%).

Edited May 14, 2005 by emptyzero