Non-HiMD recorder unit suggestions please

[baturjan]

I use MDs almost exclusively for language learning. I'm looking for another non-HiMD device (I only record in mono or SP with my B10) that has the following features:

physical features:

1) play-mode button (not buried in submenus. I use track-repeat every time I listen.)

2) T-mark button (ideally in a convenient location like on top)

3) Multi-line LCD (so I don't have to buy the 40ELK)

4) NiMH battery, and not AA

"non-physical" features

1) Groups (absolute must)

2) Bookmarks

The devices I have, and why I don't like using them for reviewing language lessons:

1) MZ-B10 (this is what I use for all my language recordings). The play mode is buried in submenus, and it's too big for my jeans pocket.

2) MZ-R55: my first unit and most nostalgic, but no group or bookmarks

3) NH900: The play mode is buried in submenus. I have to be under a light or in the sunlight to read the LCD. Of course, I could use the remote, but I'm usually holding the unit about 65% of the time that I'm listening. And the remote is only one line. Maybe there are some ways to setup this unit. I know there is some customization options. I just haven't taken the time to go through the manual. But the LCD is still an issue.

4) RH1: Exclusively for computer upload/download.

[Abby Normal]

It seems that with so many restrictions you're setting yourself up for failure. Basically the key to success here is to be happy with the one-line remote. I've happily discovered that the little backlit remote that came with my RH1 works with every single unit I currently own. Thank the maker, too (gratuitous Babylon 5 reference)--I would've been in trouble without it on my new B10--but that's a tale for another time . The other option, of course, is to abandon MiniDisc altogether and investigate other solutions. If this is that important to you this is no time to stand on sentimentality.

Edited July 5, 2009 by narp

[baturjan]

It seems that with so many restrictions you're setting yourself up for failure. Basically the key to success here is to be happy with the one-line remote. I've happily discovered that the little backlit remote that came with my RH1 works with every single unit I currently own.

I'm on my third language using minidisc since 1999, and I've been using the ones I have. I don't know enough about other units. Thinking that others do, I thought I would post such a request. I will continue to use the ones I have just as I always have.

The other option, of course, is to abandon MiniDisc altogether and investigate other solutions. If this is that important to you this is no time to stand on sentimentality.

I have looked at digital recorders over the years, but non to date (that I'm aware of) have the T-Mark splitting versatility of the minidisc. Some will cut tracks, but you can't rejoin, nor is it nearly as precise as the MD. T-mark button is the one feature (aside from sound quality) that makes the MD great for language learning.

[Abby Normal]

Oh, you misunderstood. I didn't mean that you'd fail to accomplish your goal of learning more languages. I meant that I'm not aware of any units with the combination you want. You can do as I did and study the Gear Browser, but I think you'll come to the same conclusion.

I'm on my third language using minidisc since 1999, and I've been using the ones I have. I don't know enough about other units. Thinking that others do, I thought I would post such a request. I will continue to use the ones I have just as I always have.

I have looked at digital recorders over the years, but non to date (that I'm aware of) have the T-Mark splitting versatility of the minidisc. Some will cut tracks, but you can't rejoin, nor is it nearly as precise as the MD. T-mark button is the one feature (aside from sound quality) that makes the MD great for language learning.

[baturjan]

Oh, you misunderstood. I didn't mean that you'd fail to accomplish your goal of learning more languages. I meant that I'm not aware of any units with the combination you want. You can do as I did and study the Gear Browser, but I think you'll come to the same conclusion.

Ok let's fumble over misunderstands. This is exactly as I understood your comment. My response was to communicate that I am content to continue using my units.

I do know through the Equipment Browser that the Group function seemed to start around R909. So I'm looking at units starting from there, and not with Net units because I don't need the Net feature.

[Abby Normal]

After a bit of reading, it looks like the unit that comes closest is the MZ-B100. It has separate track mark, group, and play mode buttons--all on top. It has a multi-line display. However, it looks huge. Here are the dimensions and weight as stated in the promotional specs:

DIMENSIONS (WHD): 4 1⁄8" x 3 1⁄8" x 1" (105.7 x 80 x 24.9mm)

WEIGHT: 5 2⁄3 oz (160g)

It also runs off a single AA. Modern gadgets (80s and after) are capable of operating on the slightly lower nominal voltage that a AA NiMH provides. You have to charge them externally, though.

Here's a link to a now extinct review, courtesy of archive.org: MZ-B100 Offers Improved Design

The other big gotchya is it appears to be off the radar completely.

Edited July 5, 2009 by narp

[A440]

I don't see why you're ruling out NetMDs. But you probably are going to have to compromise on all your requirements.

I'd suggest the MZ-N707, which takes a AA battery, and get yourself the remote of your choice.

I know you can set Group mode as default, and if I remember correctly you can set Play mode too on NetMDs, even though you have to go into the menus the first time.

The track mark button is still a separate button.

It's a hard-working little unit, with one thing to watch: Look closely at anything you buy on eBay to make sure none of the little screws on the front are missing--they can loosen--and when you get it, lock them in with some clear nail polish.

[bobt]

I don't see why you're ruling out NetMDs. But you probably are going to have to compromise on all your requirements.

I'd suggest the MZ-N707, which takes a AA battery, and get yourself the remote of your choice.

I know you can set Group mode as default, and if I remember correctly you can set Play mode too on NetMDs, even though you have to go into the menus the first time.

The track mark button is still a separate button.

It's a hard-working little unit, with one thing to watch: Look closely at anything you buy on eBay to make sure none of the little screws on the front are missing--they can loosen--and when you get it, lock them in with some clear nail polish.

Also watch for the record head wiring, they break ab\nd you lose discs, best bet as an NH 700, best of all worlds, will do standard, and Hi if you wish, 707 was good but they are old

[ceramiccactus]

Sounds like your best bet is the r909.

I have been meaning to get one myself for the longest time.

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One of his requirements is to have a play mode button on the unit (not the remote or buried in a menu). The R909 doesn't really offer him any additional advantages vs what he has already.

Sounds like your best bet is the r909.

I have been meaning to get one myself for the longest time.

Edited July 8, 2009 by narp

[baturjan]

One his requirements is to have a play mode button on the unit (not the remote or buried in a menu). The R909 doesn't really offer him any additional advantages vs what he has already.

That's right. And, I'm getting used to using the remote for my NH900. One thing I've learned is that when ever you divide a track, the single-track-repeat play mode stops, and it returns to normal play. I'm sure there is a technical reason to explain why this has to happen.