luka007be Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Hi,I’m looking for a 'simple' way of transferring my music collection ripped into FLAC format and duly tagged (Vorbis Comment) to my Sony NW-HD.I tried 3 different methods: a) FLAC -–(dbpoweramp)--> MP3 –(SonicStage)--> NW-HD: works fine, with Tags but doesn’t allow a gapless playback. Quite annoying for live’s records, … FLAC –(dbpoweramp)--> WAV –(SonicStage)--> OMA(Atrac) --> NW-HD: Gapless playback is fine but Tags are lost!c) Using HI-MD Renderer Program from MarcNetSystem (www.marcnetsystem.co.uk) I was able to convert a FLAC file to an OMA (Atrac) file. However, I didn’t find the way of “importing” the oma file into the Walkman (with SonicStage) nor am I sure the tags were preserved.Any better way?Tx a lot for your input!Luka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stuge Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Welcome to Atraclife !Why don`t you import these Mp3 files in SonicStage which were converted.Then convert them to Atrac using SonicStage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luka007be Posted April 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Hi Stuge,Tx for your suggestion and your welcome I don't like very much the idea of a dual conversion. It won't help the sound quality, I think. Also, I guess the gaps due to the MP3 format won't be recovered by the MP3 to Atrac conversion. Anyway I'll give it a try and report the results.Luka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSP62 Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 I am not up to par on file formats and quality, but wouldn't you just convert from FLAC straight to ATRAC ? Or is this something that cannot be done.Would not the 1st option (FLAC->MP3->unit) already degrade your audio because your putting it in MP3 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luka007be Posted April 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 As expected the FLAC --> MP3 --> Atrac --> NW-HD is working at the Tag level but the gaps created by the MP3 format aren't recovered when converting MP3 to Atrac.So the MP3 -> Atrac conversion doesn't help (exept for the power saving).Luka.I am not up to par on file formats and quality, but wouldn't you just convert from FLAC straight to ATRAC ? Or is this something that cannot be done.Would not the 1st option (FLAC->MP3->unit) already degrade your audio because your putting it in MP3 ?FLAc -> Atrac conversion is certainly the best solution. Unfortunatelly I'm still looking for a solution allowing this. (See my trial with Marcnet HIMDRenderer software).Regarding the MP3 quality versus the Atrac quality, at the same bitrate for both (256kbps) it doesn't make a lot of differences to me considering how and where I'm listening to my NW-HD.Luka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luka007be Posted April 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 As SonicStage can import WMA files, I tried the following method:FLAC --(dbpoweramp)--> WMA --(SonicStage)--> OMA (Atrac) --> NwHd• WMA format allows lossless compression I selected (44khz, 16 bits: identical to original FLAC files).• The tags are preserved.• Unfortunately, whilst the WMA files are played without any gap in the Windows Media Player, a gap is introduced by the WMA --> Atrac conversion.Am I missing something for a gapless WMA -> Atrac conversion?Luka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stuge Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Hey did you search on http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luka007be Posted April 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Hey did you search on http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forumsWell, I didn't find anything. Whilst googling, I found another post on the same subject (Flac -> Atrac) and without solution. So the issue remains...Luka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ub_ Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Why not burn the FLAC files to an audio cd or iso then import it to ATRAC, then it should be gapless ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luka007be Posted April 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 (edited) Why not burn the FLAC files to an audio cd or iso then import it to ATRAC, then it should be gapless !Absolutely. This is similar to my "method ": FLAC –(dbpoweramp)--> WAV –(SonicStage)--> OMA(Atrac) --> NW-HD: Gapless playback is fine but Tags are lost!Going through CDs will not resolve the tagging issue. And as I own the original CDs, I just don't want to rip again hundreds of them to store them on my NW-HD. Luka. Edited April 29, 2006 by luka007be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggior Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 (edited) Ufortunately, there is no easy way. I do this regularly, along with APE and SHN files. What I do is batch convert them using dbPowerAmp to wav. If the files are named as the track name, then the track info is brought over. What isn't brought over is the album, artist, and genre info.Once you've imported the album (you must do them one at a time), right click on it and click properties. Here, you can set the album title, artist, genre, etc. When you click OK, the info is applied to all of the tracks in the album.I wish there was an easier way. But this way ins't too awful once you get used to it. And gaps aren't introduced this way. And what would the point be of using ATRAC if you are introducing gaps!?!? On the rare occasion that I import an mp3 file, I'm shocked about how all of the info is filled in automatically. That would be nice with FLAC as well. I think the only solution would be if Sony updated SonicStage to allow import of FLAC directly. Somehow, I don't think that feature will be coming any time soon.Rich Edited April 30, 2006 by maggior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luka007be Posted May 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Ufortunately, there is no easy way. I do this regularly, along with APE and SHN files. What I do is batch convert them using dbPowerAmp to wav. If the files are named as the track name, then the track info is brought over. What isn't brought over is the album, artist, and genre info.Once you've imported the album (you must do them one at a time), right click on it and click properties. Here, you can set the album title, artist, genre, etc. When you click OK, the info is applied to all of the tracks in the album.I wish there was an easier way. But this way ins't too awful once you get used to it. And gaps aren't introduced this way. And what would the point be of using ATRAC if you are introducing gaps!?!? On the rare occasion that I import an mp3 file, I'm shocked about how all of the info is filled in automatically. That would be nice with FLAC as well. I think the only solution would be if Sony updated SonicStage to allow import of FLAC directly. Somehow, I don't think that feature will be coming any time soon.RichHi Rich,So we both came to the same conclusions and solutions. I also manually add the tags (artist, album) when importings wavs to my Atrac device... I just wish you're wrong on the plan of Sony regarding the Flac support Luka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ad2006 Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 I am a bit confused. I thought all mp3's would have gaps. i've converted flac>mp3>atrac using db power amp with no gaps. Bizarre I know but it works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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