neo_md Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 Now with the RIAA(Recording Industry Association of America) suing and also now trying to get fileswappers jail time for swapping copyrighted material. With this turn events i have an idea which could help the promotion of the minidisc format. This isn't revoultionary by any means but it's a start: Since sony has a big hand in the record industry, they could try to get other labels to sign on with them in this venture. To give apple's itunes a run for it's money. Sony can start their own subscription downloading service, which could offer legit downloads of material encoded in the atrac format. Also they can provide a plugin that can play atrac encoded tunes natively. This helps the minidisc format b/c the users will not necessarily have spend their time ripping CDs or have to go through multiple steps to encode a pretty bad MP3 into the atrac format. They could use this as a big marketing campaign to promote minidisc and (Net md) as dominate playback device. All this is doing is to counter apple's campaign over the minidisc. With more ppl using minidisc, it would make it Sony's best interest to allow USB upload for Net MD. And helps make the whole check in/check out fiasco a little bit more bearable. Or you can still use the NERO/Simpleburner technique. I don't own minidisc myself, but i'm trying to save up for a MD recorder of my own. Any comments or suggestion to this proposal would greatly be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 I think you're dreaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_md Posted July 22, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 I think you're dreaming.You really know how to discuss matters. Anyway what about the idea is a dream to you. Specifics would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 You're dreaming that it would be easy for Sony to a) Convince groups to sign up with them. Manage to dominate the portable market. c) After accomplishing both of these, pop the cap off a bear and say "Yup, it's time to stop screwing over our customers and give them uploading capability because we just feel like it now." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_md Posted July 26, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 Actually your points B and C would be easy for them to do. They have significant market share with their other portable devices. and if they did give upload capabilities. it would solve your points A & B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 http://www.xitel.com/product_mdpio.htm Has anyone tried this yet??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazirker Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 I have one arriving at my house tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saaron Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 http://www.xitel.com/product_mdpio.htm Has anyone tried this yet???If this had existed 6mos. ago I'd have one now, but instead I got the DG2 so I could record from iTunes. It's just an adaptor to allow optical/analogue transmission from/to USB -- strictly realtime recording/uploading, so music isn't going to be transferred at high speeds or in ATRAC format. It works pretty well. Only issues to note: in OS X all sound output gets redirected through it, so be sure to clobber applications like Mail that make noises to alert you of things or you could end up with little bongs and bings in your recording -- I leave mine recording when I'm not around so there's no issues with other applications running. I've also noted that sometimes extra trackmarks get inserted, or don't get inserted. Since I like to label all my tracks I just go through and do that and remove/insert tracks as necessary. It's worth it for the convenience in making mixes or the fact that the DVD-ROM drive in the powerbook is less sensitive to damage on disc surfaces than my DVD Player or car CD player for ripping tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saaron Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 Also they can provide a plugin that can play atrac encoded tunes natively.Doesn't this already exist? I was in Debenhams recently and noted a new line of portable CD players from Sony which are, more-or-less, MD on CD. They're portable CD players which also record ATRAC format and come with PC software to enable PC owners to encode music into ATRAC format for outputting to these CD drives. Seems kind of lame, but it looks like they're pitching ATRAC as a higher quality alternative to MP3. Seems kind of bizarre and I cannot imagine people buying them in large numbers when they can already burn MP3 CDs, but then I don't know the availability of portable players that can play MP3 CDs so maybe there is a market there for this. Anyone else come across these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Yes, it really is bizarre, since MP3 is higher quality than ATRAC, and ATRAC3plus is an insulting joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_md Posted August 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 saaron, i think you misunderstood what i was saying, i already know that sony has Portable CD players that can play that support ATRAC3 and ATRAC+. I meant if sony was to provide a download susbscription service similar to itunes. That could support ATRAC encoded and or mp3 encoded tunes. Yes, it really is bizarre, since MP3 is higher quality than ATRAC, and ATRAC3plus is an insulting joke.mp3 can sound decent if ripped properly, but most mp3 files ppl get a hold of have been encoded poorly. Granted sony is the only company that provides main coding for programs that do ATRAC encoding, but it does a great job. ATRAC3plus is not an insulting joke b/c, NRen2k5 ATRAC3plus is doing something that your beloved mp3 format does best, compress the audio (@LP4 mode) so much that you will end up with piss poor quality, with the gain of more songs in the same space And when you seem to berade ATRAC NRen2k5 you tend to focus on the LP compression. but i doubt you have really listen to the beauty of TRUE SP compression of ATRAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Of course I haven't listened to SP. I don't yet own a MD recorder, and the pricks over at the T-boards are either too lazy to send me a test sample, or they're afraid. It would be simple enough. Optically record a CD track to minidisc in SP. Then use a deck with optical out to record this to a CD or to PC. Then rip the original CD track to PC and encode to MP3 with Lame using --alt-preset standard (to be fair - because APS is the commonly preferred Lame setting, and its bitrate is well under that of ATRAC SP). Then I guess it would be best to send the MP3 as-is, and the competition in FLAC (lossless format). The person wishing to perform the listening test would do it with the samples in PCM format, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazirker Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Why are you on MD boards if you don't even own an MD unit? Afraid? I think not. I'll set up those files for you. Gimmie a week, I'm moving into college this weekend (1st year) and so I'm crazy busy. Private message me about it in about a week and we can figure out how to I can get the audio to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_md Posted August 22, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 Why are you on MD boards if you don't even own an MD unit?I'll state my reason why I'm on MD boards without owning a MD unit, which are quite different than NRen2k5. I'm not here to bash MD, in fact i love MD. My 1st exposure to it was back in '94, my uncle had had a japanese imported recorder, although I can't remember the model no b/c he only allowed me 2 see it for 5 minutes. Needless to say I liked the look size, and the sound repproduction. Disclaimer: I'm not an audiophile yet. Seeing a couple of friends at my university with MD players and or recorders, which rekindled my interest in the format. I'm still a newbie so bare with me, but that's why i read these boards and the t-boards to gain knowledge, so when i can afford a MD recorder of my own i'll have a decent idea of how to use it. I even snicker at people carrying their PCDPs, thinking man it must suck having to carry those awkward units in your hand, or be stuck with MP3 flash player. I just can't wait until i have my own MD unit. Don't get me wrong i use mp3 to sample songs i don't yet own, then i buy the CD. To make a long story short, i started this topic b/c i really want to see MDs become more popular in North America, in order to bring the overall prices down of the units (might be wishful thinking on my part b/c even if a lot more units come out, they might not be the strongest build quality), even if Minidisc stays just as a niche market. I would still love to own an unit. When i have the money of course to buy one :oops: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 I want to know which MD models are popular, which are cheap, which sound great, which have whatever features, which are lemons, etc. That's why I lurk around here and the T-Boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAjEsTiC Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 want to know which MD models are popular, which are cheap, which sound great, which have whatever features, which are lemons, etc. That's why I lurk around here and the T-Boards.that's fair enough...i mean it's not like u can only be on MD board if you own an MD (e.g. the lock you out sumhow if u done own one)...soo yeh...as u and neo_md are gaining knowledge about different aspects of new MD's, it's good 2 learn about these different units before finally purchasing one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_md Posted August 26, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 I know this may have been asked before. I know using netMD on a computer SP is a masked version of LP2. but say if you did an optical or analogue recording using a net md recorders. would it give you true SP quality or would you get the disguised LP2 quality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAjEsTiC Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 that would be encoded in "true" SP...if u did the transfer from OpenMG/Sonicstage then it would be masked LP2 since it does the conversion on the computer before transfering...though when u record straight off then the recorder will record to the full potential of SP... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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