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Sony would be very happy if we just accept their "recording device" without any complaints. But because their misleading advertisements for musicians and note taking students we have more than a good reason to return these devices back. That should also put some more effort to make the wav-converter faster and taking it as a serious matter. I doubt that as long as we keep on buying these devices and not complaining by returning these things ripped off their packages, there will never be any wav converter.

Exactly that. I find it quite idiotic to add a feature and not to understand what that feature even is and thus find out that one has applied a feature that has no function at all. Btw. there was uploading of songs to SS even in net-md except those that were recorded live because obviously the machine didn't apply copyright information with those recordings and no permission to upload either. I find it quite ridiculous that they seem not to understand why people were crying after the feature: The upload of your own recordings. There might have been an idea in SONY product planning section of how we could download our home / field recordings easily to the computer.. but then some other higher protective need will dictate and this feature will not be allowed to work as supposed. It will be just window dressing cause the feature is not actually there anymore. They have kind of admitted this mistake by starting to build a tool for analogue line-in recordings. Why they have to admit this as a mistake? - Because their marketing section is as idiotic and gives wrong information and impressions of the new "versatile" Hi-MD, designed for note taking students and musicians (but who deliberately will not be granted the permission to use their recordings!!!) It seems that the innovations which could give too many people the freedom to create is a threat to their own big money productions. This is paradoxically exactly opposite than “go create”. I know there is clever people working in SONY, but the structure of the company will affect so that they produce idiotic products (same way like Microsoft). Luckily SONY will never gain as much power in music industry to fulfil its idiotic plans and existence as a symbol of a capitalistic ideology.

As an august Loyal Customer benefits Finnish department store Stockmann is offering Sony Hi-MD MZ-NH900 (Price: 310 Euros) It was not available Saturday, but now they sent a message that the item has arrived and is available. They said that Hi-MD discs are not arrived yet though.

for example this: http://www.iriver.com/community/suggestion...n=read&idx=3346 or you can seek google with the words: iriver and glitch. If you find a portable HDD player/recorder that can reliably record 1 1/2 hours of uncompressed audio, I will find it most interesting and be very thankful of the info. .. but I guess this is all about what for you are using your portable device mostly.. is it necessary to have quality recordings or is some recording functionality good enpough?

ok.. sorry I may not know the ability of newest HD player/recorders. I?m just guessing while reading some old reviews of these kind of HD portable player/recorders. ihp120 gave something like 70 minutes of recording time and even the Neuros audio computer promises only 30 minutes of skip protection I have also been reading about this recording glitch that occurred with H1xx-series. is that fixed in newest models. all these old articles makes me feel a bit unsecured when I want to have high quality. anyway.. 1 1/2 hours is still not enough for some of live recording. i would rather have a recorder that says how many hours instead of minutes there is safe recording time. has anybody any actual experience of recording even this long takes uncompressed audio with portable HD equipment. that there is absolutely no unwanted noise or skip because of some kind of buffer under run?

well.. I have been searching a HD recorder that could record a performance, lecture or something at least 1 hour, but I have found that no HD recorder can promise more than 1/2 hour recording after it stops (as far as I know). I think this incapability of long record takes goes hand in hand with the fact that there is pause before you can start another recording. it's about the lack of cache memory. When recording something to hard drive one needs a lot of cache memory which there is not enough in the i-river etc. cheap HD recorders, thus it stops recording after awhile. .. but as what comes to MDs I have been recording reliably over 2 hour lecture and our gigs which may take even longer period when we are carried away. :love: Because of the long recordings I also need a better way to capture the sound to my computer for editing purposes.. better than in real time through my m-audio soundcard. I'm happy to hear that SONY will allow wav capture through USB upload soon. But what else they could do while they must clearly understand that without this functionality the MD recorder is actually still lacking the easy upload that people were crying after. Anyway... I'm waiting either the upload -> wav software for Hi-MD or a portable HD that is designed mainly for live recording.. or a winning lottery ticket to buy a professional recorder.

Aahhh! what a relief. I can start waiting again for the best device for my purposes. If they remove the copy protection from analog input recordings (obviously your own mic recordings) these units will find no competitors as a recording device... in this prize scale, size, handiness and sound quality. :smile: Hmm but Sharp with its 1-bit digital amplifier could make it even better. Yes, a Hi-MD for this musician.. though not earlier than this has been proven true.

It would be super quality recording in big enough places where the mix from the board is what you actually hear.. but in smaller places sometimes some of the sounds comes from band equipments straight and thus the balance of the instruments taken directly from the board does not sound good. Then the mic would be better... We once tried so that we recorded both with mics and line out from the board.. and mixed it later with computer. It sounded great. best would be, i guess a digital mixing board with digital out and Hi-MD with digital in using linear PCM as format.

I guess there will be hundrets of angry customers when they find out that all the hype about musicians and note taking students able to record and then upload those recordings to PC via USB. It is partly true but without the actual functionality where we could use those uploaded recordings I'd rather say: It is deliberate misleading and it means that there will be a lot of Hi-MDs returned back to vendors.

I was thinking also to buy ihp-120 but found out that all these HD player/recorders has quite short time for recording. I think iriver has like 30 minits before it stops / or you hear a skip in the music. I have not tested myself but heared rumors. I think that it is because HDrecorders need a fair memory buffer for recording long takes and there has been lack of it.. i guess? Has anybody more info of this or could there be a good HD player/recorder which can record uncompressed sound as long as the battery will allow? Cause then it would compete well unless SONY change its corporative politics.

I don't understand in the first place why SONYs official hi-md publicity campaign speaks about easy uploading for musicians etc.. Are they deliberately misleading us? I can't figure any case that this kind of uploading is useful. Why would I want to hear my band/lecture whatever recordings in my computer while the Hi-MD player can play those and is much more portable than my computer. To speak about uploading function is deliberately misleading customers who are figuring out later that the uploading possibility is not actually a function but just window dressing. This was the reason I brought my net-md back to store: The shopkeeper let me understand that uploading was possible... Then I found SONYs Hi-MD campaign pages speaking about uploading and started to wait these Hi-MDs... luckily i found these pages to get more information. As for artists who wants to have flexibility to create, SONYs deals has allways been a pain in the... (have couple of friends who had deals with SONY) Now I find out that it is just the same with the whole corporation... but the will to power, to control is at the same time dangerous as it is for anorexic. SONYs management is killing all the creativity of their product innovations, of their customers and artists...and finally no breathing..

Exactly! There is no way you can edit recorded stuff easier with Hi-MD than it has tarditionally been (realtime and through your soundcard... though there is minidisc recorders with digital out and soundcards with digital in.. so the quality could be better) Why everybody says that one has to wait until these devices arrive to figure this export incapability out? In newest software the only way one can export one's own recordings is ATRAC audio CD and Redbook Audio CD. Isn't this clear? If somebody can convince that these ATRAC CD's can be ripped and that the sound quality is as good as normal CD, I will still consider acquiring Hi-MD. Although it is irritating waste of time burning & ripping CD's too and the truth will remain: The live recording possibility is not a real thing to be utilised in the totality of Hi-MD's functionality, it is merely a decoration, a disconnected feature in the list of features.

The only thing I was missing from Net-MD?s was more versatility to mic/line in recorded material in the way that the task of uploading over 1 hour takes would have been easier and faster. In Net-MD one has to upload everything in real time and through a soundcard that will digitise the sounds from MD?s line (usually ear-plug) out. (Is there even line out in new Hi-MD's?) While the versatility of uploading and the quality of recordings has been prized in these new Hi-MD equipment I thought it finally meant that now one can actually upload mic/line in recordings to computer to be edited further. This seems not be the case. As if they were copyrighted music the uploaded recordings are not meant to be utilised. It is not allowed to transfer your own sample recordings to be utilised in multitrack projects, or distribute your own recorded lectures to students.. etc. unless you do the same pain taking real time sound card upload that was the case with Net-MD?s. I was happy with the sound quality and the ability of long enough recordings with Net-MD?s but the upload functionality sucked so much that I returned my Net-MD after my first frustrating 2h recording of a discourse (never distributed because the utilisation was so time taking). So is there any point of waiting these new devices? .. while SONY's clear intention is that MD's are not meant to be used for distribute or use those Mic/Line recordings that is made by the user why there is so much talk about recording functions at all? If someone records something it is without doubt meant to be used somewhere. Why all my friends who uses MD sees it nevertheless as mainly a recording media, but SONY makes it clear that the recording functionality is not meant to be utilised? It is technically possible but SONY don't want this to happen because of infantile copy protection thinking. .. anyway as used to the times before USB people are still doing hours of frustrating coding because on the field these nifty little things are great. Why everybody says that one has to wait until these devices arrive to figure this export incapability out? In SonicStage only way one can export one's own recordings is ATRAC audio CD's and Redbook Audio CD's. Isn't this clear? If somebody can convince that these ATRAC CD's can be ripped and that the sound quality is as good as normal CD, I will still consider acquiring Hi-MD. Although it is irritating waste of time burning & ripping CD's too and the truth will remain: The recording possibility is not a real thing to be utilised in every stage of Hi-MD?s functionality, it is merely a decoration, a disconnected feature in the list of features.

Yes I have gone through numerous but have not found yet a rival in the sense that i-river is affordable (comparing to the professional media) and it is small and the upload functions are easy. + there will be a good player for traveling. On the other hand there is fast growing market on these kind ogf units so I will be very interested of any kind of equipment that will meet somehow these criterias. Is there a topic for discussing about the rivals if the Hi-MD fails to satisfy the need of musicians, comedians, lecturers, artists, students etc. who wants to find a recording media of digital era that will ease creating of things. Nowadays even non professionals use the computer to edit audio visual material. We have digicams, -videos, everything.. but not an easy USB recorder in the same sense. Or do we?

I aggree 100% What I have learned going through different articles there is possible to burn cd's from the dwnloaded files. Some suggested that one can rip those and get so back to computer. I wonder if that is possible considering all the possible copyright mines that sony hides. Even it might be possible it is still time taking to burn and rip and decode etc. Why there is not possible to give more copy rights for the material that one has recorded himself. Why not adding a real export to wav or aiff for sounds that has been recorded in Hi-MD (it does not have to include those tracks that has come from Sonic Stage or those that has some original copy-protection stamp). otherways the normal net-md gives as much possibilities to use your own material as does this new Hi-MD In our kind of use the recorder it should have the same status as digicams.. We should have possibility to distribute our own art, lectures etc. But Sonys first goal is protecting its own artists and let people just go and not create anything because they have to pay for this protectivines too. Thinking that all the piratism happens in peer to peer scene this thing is completely unintelligible. (I hope that somebody will tell me that im wrong about the lack of export.)

If one records that 90min of audio data it would be nice to just upload it to the computer via USB faster than in 90min. I'm so fed up with downloading my recordings from net-md to computer through sound card and in real time. Now it seems that with Hi-MD the problem will be in the end same: Yes, one can actually download via USB but the recordings will be stuck in Sonic Stage and there is probably not coming any export to wav or aiff possibility. there is a slight possibility that the recordings can be burned to cd and then ripped to computer for editing. But i-river will still be faster and more straight forward. That's why i'm still considering iriver iHP120 with which one has no problems at all with upploading. I wonder when this upploading thing will be clear since it seems to be very important for many of us concidering to buy Hi-MD recorder.

Many people would also suppose to have possibility to edit the recordings they make. Burning to cd and ripping that (if even possible with all of these possible copy protecion matters) is just waste of money & time. I expect that if one makes real life recordings there is usually also useless voices that must be cut out... or think if one wants to add these recordings as samples to multitrack projects.

Hmm.. My dream: I hope they will change the copy protection system for self recorded material. (the delayed minidiscs are recording minidiscs) So that if one records an interview, a gig or samples from nature, one could actually been allowed them to be exported out of SonicStage to wavs or something that can actually be used. Otherways these units are completely useless for musicians like me. I would rather buy an Iriver iHP120 which has good recording abilities, no limits whatsoever and can be used like normal USB storage. Anyway this delay will make it very difficult for me to wait anymore for these things to appear somewhere to be tested and this exporting thing to be clarified once and for all.