marcnet Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 I posted this in the minidisct forums, but I thought id post here to get a bigger response: I was experimenting with direct upload (without sonicstage) on my HIMDRenderer program. I got as far as being able to list the track names on the disc. Decoding the audio prooved to be a little moe trickey. Anyway, I can get a track listing off a hi-md disc. I can develop this into a program so that you can simply copy+paste into Excel, Word, notepad, email etc. Would anyone be interesting in such a program? What sort of stuff (features) would you like to see ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJ_Palmer Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Yes please Marc, if it's not too much trouble!!! At the most basic level, I guess a simple text track listing that can be copied and pasted into Word/Excel etc would be great. I suppose if the list could be headed by Disc Name, Group, Album then Track / Artist then all the better. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 A simple database of discs based on disc title would probably suffice. Even just a text listing [i.e. not a spreadsheet or actual database] using individual sequential text files [in Unicode?] per disc with the basics ["album" with indented listing of artist - track# - trackname, track# being optional since it's not really used on HiMD anyway] ... Perhaps not basing it on disc title but rather on whatever the disc's actual IDs are would be better, but I don't actually know how that works or if it's consistent between formats/initialisations. A better document-based solution would be to use one of the XML doc templates used by OpenOffice would be good. Note that OpenOffice's doc formats have been proposed by the European Union as a good basis for an international / Union standard. To begin with, a simple listing would be great [and likely not hard to implement]. KJ: godlike-status indeed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glkaplan Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Marc: I, and probably others, would be incredibly grateful!!! See my posts at http://forums.minidisc.org/viewtopic.php?t=6614 A simple listing of group names plus tracks would be wonderful. Gary K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linzq Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 YESYESYESYESYES!! Please do Marc... I agree with Dex - start with just the simple list, and we can go from there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twine Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Hi Marc Yes I would find it very helpful. Please try to make it. Would this mean that you don't have the restriction for only one upload anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcnet Posted November 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Would this mean that you don't have the restriction for only one upload anymore? huh? No... this program would simply list *hence the words "Listing program") the contents of a HI-MD disc. There would be no upload functionality. If you read my post carefully you would see that I got as far as being able to list the track names on the disc. Uploading without sonicstage would require 1) The ability to grab the audio data of the HI-MD and set up Sonys DRM databases/files to allow the playing (and the HIMDRendering) of the track 2) Reverse engineering the Sony DRM encryption and creating an ATRAC3 decoder to decode the resultant Both options are far, far, far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harper Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Your idea of a listing program would be excellent since with the 1g disc we can have hundreds of tracks. It would be a help to have a listing which could easily be search as well as a backup list incase one needed to recreate a disk's contents. Best format for your lister to save would be a tab delimited format. commas and quotes COULD find themselves in a listing thereby making it much harder for you to use them as a comma delimited format. TABS on the otherhand would not be use or confused and this format is easily read into databases and spreadsheets. I will use a t for a TAB in my example below. data format should be something like this. First line of file would contain disk specific info (Disk ID and Disk Title) perhapse Total time recorded on Disk and Total number of tracks. I am not sure exactly what info you are able to retrieve. But I believe all these are useful. Then a blank line followed by the track listings. <group> t <track title> t <album> t <artist> t <track time/length> t <compression> I got my first MD player ( actually two R500s for my wife and I) which finally died last year (I tried reseting the system defaults after it had sever tracking problems with the laser and now it will not exit the test mode). Replaced it with a mzn707a for myself and a NetMD player for my wife. Now this year I gained an MZ-NH800 and I love it. So much so that I made a PDF comparing it with MP3 players (perhaps you can post it or use it). Back in 1992 I had serious doubts about the new technology but now I think it will hold its own especially if Sony adds native MP3 support. I feel Atrac is supperior but for those who are in doubt laggnig behind still, It may help boost market share. Allowing Upload was a smart decision (Even if they are taking their time about these things). Your renderer is alot easier and more useful to me than Sony's WAV converter. I think you realize that since people are still looking to your program even with the SONY converter available. Keep up the good work and Ill paypal you when I get my holiday bonus. Phillip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streaml1ne Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Is the bitrate of a track something that can easily be extracted as well? It woudl be handy to see what tracks are encoded in HiSP vs HiLP, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvdsrule Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Can you make it so that we can upload our files from our Hi-MD to our PCs without SS and not have to worry about it erasing our files? Great job by the way!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcnet Posted December 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 No. Read my previous post in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SidCamel Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Hi, there Say, Marcnet... Could there be a way to, some day, upload via USB original MD (SP Mode, 292 Atrac) recordings to the computer using a Hi-MD recorder? Would digital source recordings be uploadable? How about microphone recordings? Or should we discard all of those options FOREVER because technically there's not a chance in the world to do that? Should we keep on transfering 1x thru the sound card or should we hold those recordings for transfering them digitally later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcnet Posted December 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 I dont think its possible unless you rewrite the firmware on the actual minidisc unit to do such a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SidCamel Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Thanks a lot for the info, man.... A real shame, though... Now, the question would be: is firmware on current Hi-MD models flashable/upgreadable/rewrittable?!?!?!?! Could that mean native MP3 support someday? Regards, and thanks again, bud ~^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Probably not, we'll all probably have to upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phox Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 getting back on subject... yes, definetly, go for it, just get something out that gets the job done, nothing fancy, and when you get the basic one out (all it needs to do is get a list on file names or something, dont need the bitrate or anything else), and after you get the basic one out, then you can work on more advanced features. but getting a simple one out like that that gets the job done i think will be a HUGE benfit to the community. I myself will bake you a batch of cookies would be cool if you could make one for the data stored to mayb, even though u could just open it through the explorer, i just personally like the idead of lists. but, summary of the post, get something out with all the things you can have it easily do, and when u get that out to the community, start work on something more advanced, and there is a batch of cookies in it for you good work m8, ~phox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glkaplan Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 So... have you decided whether or not to write a listing program? (Please, Please, Please....). I now have 5 1gb disks filled with music. Great sound, great conveniece, hard to remember where eveything is though. :grin: I'd be more than happy to contribute. In any event, thanks for your contributions to the board! Gary K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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