lyceemoliere Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 (edited) Could someone help with advantages/disadvantages of these? I tried to find this using the search function and was unable to locate the info.How many cds per disc (using simple burner) can one fit with each method?Does one lose quality by choosing the setting which allows many cds per minidisc? (I am not an audiophile but also don't want awful sound quality) Is there a middle ground where sound quality is OK but one can fit lots of cds on one disc? Edited January 30, 2005 by lyceemoliere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skmetal07 Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 (edited) iwould use hi-sp or lp2 for the most optimal sound quality/cd, in hi-sp u could fit about 8 cds and with lp2 u could fit about 16 cds and still have good enough sound quality, i listen to lp2 all the time and it sounds just fine--- that is if u are using a hi-md 1 gig disc Edited January 30, 2005 by skmetal07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyceemoliere Posted January 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 iwould use hi-sp or lp2 for the most optimal sound quality/cd, in hi-sp u could fit about 8 cds and with lp2 u could fit about 16 cds and still have good enough sound quality, i listen to lp2 all the time and it sounds just fine--- that is if u are using a hi-md 1 gig disc←I am using simple burner because I want to transfer directly and not take up lots of computer space. Where does 48 kbps fit in? Is lp2 the same as hilp> I am not at all an audiphile but dont want a disc that sounds really awful.Would like to fit 16 plus cds if at all possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMBUSTERS Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 MD80 refers to a standard 80min MD disc formatted in HiMD modeHiMD refers to a HiMD 1GB disc#* = my personal opinion of sound qualityPCM/WAV 1411kbps (CD Quality) ***** (5 BEST obviously)>MD80: 28min (about half a CD) >HiMD: 1 hrs. 34 min (one and a half CDs)Atrac3+ 256kbps (HiSP) **** 1/2 (4.5 So close its hard to tell it apart from the actual CD)>MD80: 2 hrs. 20 min (2 1/2 CDs) >HiMD: 7 hrs. 55 min (about 8 CDs)Atrac3 132kbps (LP2) **** (4 The best middle ground, sounds like a decent MP3)>MD80: 4 hrs. 50 min (about 5CDs) >HiMD: 16 hrs. 30 min (about 16 1/2 CDs)Atrac3 105kbps (LP3?) *** 1/2 (3.5 Not much different than 132kbps)>MD80: 6 hrs. 10 min (about 6 CDs)>HiMD: 20 hrs. 50 min (about 21 CDs)Atrac3 66kbps (LP4) ** (1.5 The second worst compression available)>MD80: 9 hrs. 50 min (about 10 CDs)>HiMD: 32 hrs. 50 min (about 33 CDs)Atrac3+ 64kbps (HiLP) ** 1/2 (2.5 Surprisingly good at a very low bit rate)>MD80: 10 hrs. 10 min (about 10 CDs)>HiMD: 34 hrs. 00 min (about 34 CDs)Atrac3+ 48kbps * (1 WORST, not recomended for music)>MD80: 13 hrs. 30 min (about 13 1/2 CDs)>HiMD: 48 hrs. (about 48 CDs)Seeing as you stated you are not a person who can distinguish the small differences in sound quality I would recomend either Atrac3 132/105kbps or Atrac3+ 64kbps for you to maximize disc space vs quality. But the best way is to experiment yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin42 Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 I am using simple burner because I want to transfer directly and not take up lots of computer space. Where does 48 kbps fit in? Is lp2 the same as hilp> I am not at all an audiphile but dont want a disc that sounds really awful.Would like to fit 16 plus cds if at all possible.←The only way to know is to just try it out and see what sounds good to your ears. HiLP is a 64kbps format, LP2 is 132kbps. Unfortunately (why, Sony, why???) you can't use SimpleBurner to put LP2 files on a HiMD disc. Which is totally ridiculous, as it'd be perfect. You have to rip/convert your files to LP2 using SonicStage and then push them over.I've found 64kbps HiLP is really not thaaaaaat bad for non-discriminating uses, such as car use, or at work where I don't have the greatest speakers. I was quite surprised by the quality overall. It'll let you fit at least 30-40 CDs on one HiMD disc. You can definitely hear distortion/artifacts but it's nowhere near as bad as MP3 at 64kbps. I wouldn't even try 48kbps. (Why does Sony give us 2 VERY low bitrate options but then only 1 above that??).HiSP is 256kbps and sounds pretty good overall. You'd get less than 16 average length albums on a HiMD disc, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGB2 Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 (edited) The only way to know is to just try it out and see what sounds good to your ears. HiLP is a 64kbps format, LP2 is 132kbps. Unfortunately (why, Sony, why???) you can't use SimpleBurner to put LP2 files on a HiMD disc. Which is totally ridiculous, as it'd be perfect. You have to rip/convert your files to LP2 using SonicStage and then push them over.Totally agree! I'm just in the process of shifting 20 albums through Sonicstage to LP2, and it's really, really, slow and annoying! BAD SONY! The lowest bitrate I have pushed my music to is 105kbps. Anything below just sounds pants and makes yer ears bleed! Edited January 30, 2005 by MDGB2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Are you sure Simple Burner can't do LP2? I swear mine has that option.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJ_Palmer Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 ^^ Indeed it can, but only to a NetMD format disc - a Hi-MD disc only gives the 'new' formats... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMBUSTERS Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 ^^ Indeed it can, but only to a NetMD format disc - a Hi-MD disc only gives the 'new' formats...←true dat, which is an incredibly stupid idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 A very simple answer to the HiSP vs. HiLP question:Encode some things in both, listen to them, and decide whether you like either or both or neither.There is no better judge than your own ears when it comes to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMBUSTERS Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 A very simple answer to the HiSP vs. HiLP question:Encode some things in both, listen to them, and decide whether you like either or both or neither.There is no better judge than your own ears when it comes to this.←right and if you cant really tell the difference (your deff lol jk) or you dont mind HiLP stick with the lower end as youll fit more on the disc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyceemoliere Posted January 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 right and if you cant really tell the difference (your deff lol jk) or you dont mind HiLP stick with the lower end as youll fit more on the disc.←Thanks for the suggestions. Can you record in a variety of formats on a single disc or does each disc have to be recorded in a single format? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJ_Palmer Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 You can mix and match recording modes/bitrates on a disk however you wish and as space allows.I've made the mistake of cramming the last bit of space with some 48kbps tracks - I wouldn't bother with that if I were you, unless you dislike those tracks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agcameron Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 right and if you cant really tell the difference (your deff lol jk) or you dont mind HiLP stick with the lower end as youll fit more on the disc.←Personally I find HiMD 48kbps (as bad as you can go!) sounds very similar to MP3 128kbps on my Rio Nitrus when using the same Sennheiser earbuds. I call it "FM radio quality". Good enough for the office and the car. As you move up the bitrate scale the recordings sound more and more open and natural.I can get over 50 CDs on a single 1Gb HiMD disc in 48k mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobS Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Keep in mind that the sound quality of the various bit rates is not just what earphones/buds you listen with but what your are recording.Example: A person speaking would sound just as good at 48K as at 256K (or any MP3 equivalent)You add a singing voice and one or 2 instruments and you may need to go to 132 for good sound. Try a full orchestra and 256 is sometimes not enough. It depents on how much acoustic energy is in how many frequency bands. That is why you can see different results on the various published listening tests that compare different codecs (mp3, atrac, ogg etc), depends on what you are recording. Some codecs do better with certain kinds of audio than others.You are the best judge of what sounds good to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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