Q. On Nh1 Random Group Play

[Happy Hopping]

I need to know, if I create a few "Groups", and random play, does it:

1) Random the songs within the group only?

2) Or does it random all songs from one group to another?

I don't want to create a few groups to find out.

And I figure if you use Equalizer function like "Club Sound", and you have Dance Club songs in the same MD as soft rock, then the output sounds is wrong under Club sound mixer when it plays soft rock songs.

On the other hand, if you have songs random only within one group, say if each group only have 5 songs (I only use PCM, no compression), then it is not much of a random play.

The alternative is to manually switch from Club Sound mixer to Normal, but there is a pause on the play if you do that.

Anyone care to give their 2nd opinion?

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[Christopher]

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[ROMBUSTERS]

I need to know, if I create a few "Groups", and random play, does it:

1) Random the songs within the group only?

2) Or does it random all songs from one group to another?

I don't want to create a few groups to find out.

And I figure if you use Equalizer function like "Club Sound", and you have Dance Club songs in the same MD as soft rock, then the output sounds is wrong under Club sound mixer when it plays soft rock songs.

On the other hand, if you have songs random only within one group, say if each group only have 5 songs (I only use PCM, no compression), then it is not much of a random play.

The alternative is to manually switch from Club Sound mixer to Normal, but there is a pause on the play if you do that.

As long as Navi play is set to Normal it will shuffle all the songs. If you have it set to Group/Artist/Album it'll shuffle songs only in those selected options

[MZ-NH1]

I must admit, the "shuffle" feature is quite silly in my oppinion. It starts at song 1, then goes to song 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64... and so on, until it runs out of songs, then just repeats that process again!

So I will probably hear at least 5 songs twice in an hour of listening to my 170 songs on shuffle.

Has anyone else found this out? Or is my NH1 just a lil strange!?

[ROMBUSTERS]

I must admit, the "shuffle" feature is quite silly in my oppinion.  It starts at song 1, then goes to song 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64... and so on, until it runs out of songs, then just repeats that process again! 

So I will probably hear at least 5 songs twice in an hour of listening to my 170 songs on shuffle.

Has anyone else found this out? Or is my NH1 just a lil strange!?

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nope dont have that problem on my NH700

[Happy Hopping]

I must admit, the "shuffle" feature is quite silly in my oppinion.  It starts at song 1, then goes to song 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64... and so on, until it runs out of songs, then just repeats that process again! 

So I will probably hear at least 5 songs twice in an hour of listening to my 170 songs on shuffle.

Has anyone else found this out? Or is my NH1 just a lil strange!?

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Now that you mentioned, I wonder if anyone else have that problem.

This is an old problem w/ Sony MD. My old MZ-R3, and MZ-R2 random the songs in the same pattern. So if the first random play is 1, 7, 6, 3, 4.... then the next play it randoms all the songs on the 2nd round will be 1, 7, 6, 3, 4...etc.

The other problem w/ my old MZ-R3, R2 is that if you press STOP, say you are talking to someone, then 5 min. later you press Play again. The Random function will play back the previous songs that the random function "already play", although some other songs has not been play before.

For e.g., say there are only 10 songs in total, and you already heard

1, 9, 5.

Now you press STOP.

5 min. later you press Play, it should random play the remaining 7 songs without 1, 9, 5.

But guess what, it will random play including 1, 9, 5.

To make matter worse, the random isn't really random, so it will random, 1, 9, 5, again before it gets to the other songs.

Now, the above is the old MZR2, R3. I only play my NH1 on Friday, so I don't know if there is a problem w/ real random or not. But I don't use compression, so as long as it can random 18 songs or so, I will have no complaint.

[MZ-NH1]

Yeh ^^^ I know what you mean!

Look it is just extremely annoying after say listening to the MD for 1 hr, in random play, then you come back 30 mins later to listen to more music, I'd say there is a 50% chance you will hear half those songs you have ALREADY HEARD AGAIN!!! :@

[Happy Hopping]

Yeh ^^^ I know what you mean!

Look it is just extremely annoying after say listening to the MD for 1 hr, in random play, then you come back 30 mins later to listen to more music, I'd say there is a 50% chance you will hear half those songs you have ALREADY HEARD AGAIN!!! :@

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That is just "Great." So after almost 10 yr., they never fix that bug on random, using the same software algorithm. No wonder Sony never made the top 10 list this year.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/01/31/technology...dex.htm?cnn=yes

[Abbstrack]

can you trick it?

what happens if you're playing a song that is not 1 on the disc, and then you put your player into shuffle?

or will it just revert to the 1st song once the song you're listening to ends?

[Happy Hopping]

can you trick it?

what happens if you're playing a song that is not 1 on the disc, and then you put your player into shuffle?

or will it just revert to the 1st song once the song you're listening to ends?

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I can't be 100% sure on the new NH1 as I just bought it. However, the bug definitely occur when you press STOP and begin again later on those other MZ units.

I'll post an update in a week or two.

[Happy Hopping]

Update: I don't think Sony ever change that random function bug. Today, I played the unit with 18 songs, some songs I skipped as I don't like them as much, and I skipped via the Fwd. button. In the end, the player repeats the other songs number as a 2nd round, BEFORE it finish randomizing the songs in the 1st round.

For e.g., say it play and skip thru, 1,5,13, 6,2,8,9,10,3, etc.

As I press the FWD button, the unit is already re-playing say, 5, 3, under the random function

but it still haven't go thru songs like 12, 17, etc. for the first time.

This is the very same bug as my MZ-R3, almost a 10 yr. unit. You would think for 10 yr. or so, sony can fix a bug, right?

[konrad]

sorry if this is a stupid question, but is there a way to do group/album shuffle on my 700? i mean so it just randomly chooses the next group/album to play. i cant see it anywhere,

thanks.

[padillah]

For what it's worth, there is no way to generate an ACTUAL random number on a computer.

There are some pretty fancy algorhithms that come real close to hiding the pattern but why go to such great trouble for a simple suffle routine?

Has anyone tried turning off shuffle, skip a song and then turn it on again? Maybe that will clear the seed.

Never really gave it much thought.

Tom P.

[Happy Hopping]

For what it's worth, there is no way to generate an ACTUAL random number on a computer.

There are some pretty fancy algorhithms that come real close to hiding the pattern but why go to such great trouble for a simple suffle routine?

Has anyone tried turning off shuffle, skip a song and then turn it on again?  Maybe that will clear the seed.

Never really gave it much thought.

Tom P.

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Well, even back in the old days when I do programming, random no. generator is not that hard to do. And I do agree there is no such thing as true random, but for say 20 songs or so, it is a very simple programming code to scan if any songs that was played by round 1 randomized generated again, then del. it and move to the next random generated no.