2nd Kick Ass Recording Gone!

[djgeo]

[regarding MZ-NH700 with SS3.2]

Aight. So I go to the clubs, and spend a decent amount of concentration to get a good bootleg, and now--for the SECOND TIME-- I have lost a totally mind-numbing recording.

The first time this happened, there was one recorded track on the disc that would not transfer, you can play it, but you can't transfer it.

In the process of trying to "check the disc" for errors (hoped some stupid file error checking would fix) I made the MD unplayable.

Now, for the second time I get this error, "internal error has occured" Transfer failed.

NEW FINDINGS:

This time I realized that the transfer error is caused by a skip in the recording. I found this when I decided I would play the recording back and manually rip it from another program by setting my recording input to "stereo mix" which actually records direct from the sound card (laptop).

In this process, the sound went straight for 15 min, then stopped. I unplugged the MD, and manually shuttled forward to about 14:30, T-Marked, and listened on. The audio hickups for a second (probably i was dancing or something) but then continues on.

So I T-Mark again to isolate the blip.

So now I have three tracks in SS3.2.

I tried just for kicks to transfer the 1 minute isolation, no go. I transfer the smaller first part of the track (14 min) NO GO!

Same with the other one! (the rest of the recording)

At this point, I have not done any attempts at recovery, and the disk has just melted on it's own accord! unplugged it says, "no tracks" plugged in, I've got the three tracks with total recording time of 1:58 hours, but I can't play anything at all now!

I tried copying the files from the MD itself via USB (removable disk) and write error occurred because "parameter incorrect."

I guess the moral of the story is the disc is Fucked. But damit, the thing just screwed itself up more by trying to play. Are there some firmware upgrades or something we can give the Hi-MD a little more Gas?

Greetings to all fellow Hi-MD lovers, I have done some good work with this machine, but losing a night's recording the day after totally BLOWS!

GIO

[Roamer]

If you happen to have a recording that you can play, but refuse to transfer via USB, the best is probably to transfer via analog or Total Recorder. Trying to add T-Marks is more likely to compromise the recording even further.

Edited October 16, 2005 by Roamer

[veezhun]

did you edit your recordings on the Hi MD BEFORE the upload?? this will cause issues with sonicstage..

please tell us what your steps were

welcome to MDCF

[A440]

I've had this problem with a disc skip. Sometimes SonicStage will be able to play back the tracks even if the unit itself cannot--you say you can still see the timings. Try connecting the USB and using SonicStage to play them (not upload, just play), then record them through the soundcard.

You might have to make the choice between recording and dancing at future club dates.

[djgeo]

Hey Guys, thanks for the replies.

Well yeah, I read in a post doing any editing (renaming, etc) will compromise ability to successfully transfer.

Shucks, at this point I can't do anything with the Disc, the tracks appear in SS, but no upload or even play ability.

Unplugged the MD reads "unable to record or play, create audio file?"

Next time I guess I won't do any fudging with the renaming within SS before I transfer, this seems to be the problem.

What's the likelyhood of a gone, corrupted MD?

I have another Hi-MD, though it has a bunch of recordings I can't transfer right now, because they "originated from another computer" Bullshit, I only played them back on my desktop...

Wondering if I name my laptop the same name as my Dell it will think it's the same comp.

Greetz to all MD Headz!

[djgeo]

OK, new news, remember the other disc I tried? Turns out today I tried to play it, and ARG! Again, the MD displays "cannot play or record"

I think we're dealing with a head cleaning problem or something more serious.

Oh geez

Happy Halloween

[dex Otaku]

I have run into this problem as well.

Basically, any "skips" that occur while recording amount to uncoverable write errors, a.k.a. anything recorded after the first skip is a gamble as to whether it will be usable or not.

I have seen multiple results of this happening:

* the track with the skip in it is corrupted during uploading, and not playable or copyable afterwards

* the track with the skip in it is corrupted during uploading, along with all subsequent tracks on the disc, the same as above

* the track with the skip will play but not upload, and the problem can be gotten around by the method you described [or using Total Recorder]

I have become much more careful since I first realised this was happening [with SS 2.3] so I honestly don't know how much of the above applies to v3.2. Hopefully only the last case.

[djgeo]

The first times this started happening was after I updated to the new 3.2 SS

I'm going to buy a head cleaner and see if that helps, steamy clubs (and rain the other night) can't be good.

Though I bought an MD few years back (a simple player/recorder), after the first week, it was having access problems. I tried manually cleaning the heads with q-tips, this never helped, so I brought it back, and they "did something" that fixed it. Whatever this problem is, they charged about $100 in labor (under warranty)

[djgeo]

Heads up bros.. Here's my thoughts on the most recent problems. Head cleaner came in the mail today, cleaning surely helped (you are supposed to do this every two weeks), but did nothing to repair my corrupted discs.

The only other thing I can think of it that I was using a different USB cable than what came with the MD. Recently though, I have bought the best quality A to MiniB USB cable around, but I remember, the one that came with the MD had a huge magnet on it....

Sucks to lose recordings, real loss...

[mgdimo]

Yo everybody- As far as labelling/titling on the MD before transfering is concerned, can you do this *in* the transfer window instead of on the MD player and achieve the same results. I find navigating the alphabet with jog dial on MD a pain in the A. I'd rather use the keyboard. Anyone?

Mustaffa- That sucks that you lost your stuff, dude. I lost a couple of my first things I ever recorded: my kids' voices and stuff. Definitely test out your system with some less important recordings before you catch the next rave.

[Sunny]

Yo everybody- As far as labelling/titling on the MD before transfering is concerned, can you do this *in* the transfer window instead of on the MD player and achieve the same results. I find navigating the alphabet with jog dial on MD a pain in the A. I'd rather use the keyboard. Anyone?

Haven't been doing this correctly for very long, but in my limited experience - yes. You can label/title in the transfer window instead of on MD player and achieve the same results.

Very sorry about your recordings DJ M.

[mgdimo]

You can label/title in the transfer window instead of on MD player and achieve the same results.

Thanks Sunny. Can I just get someone to second this? I really want to be sure that this method is as permanent and thorough as doing it on the player. Thanks y'all.

[dex Otaku]

It does indeed work, mgdimo. You can title MD and HiMD tracks with either netMD or HiMD recorders and SonicStage.