bigjimvt Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 hellothanks for all the info on this forumjust got a mz-rh910 and SP BMC-12 mics been pretty happy with the results but wondering what is the optimum distance to separate the mics if doing non-stealth recording, (spaced pair mic technique)anybody ever use the jecklin disk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Low Volta Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 search for posts/threads by greenmachine... he once posted a whole bunch of test-files with different mic setupsfor 'as you heard it stereo separation' a very good setup is with your own head between the mics and to place them as close to your ears as possible... still this requires you to sit/stand perfectly still and to prevent yourself from uttering any sound (I have a great live rec with me coughing through a nice silent part...pretty scary as I noticed it when listening back through headphones while walking through a dark neighbourhood and I honestly thought I was being followed ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 just got a mz-rh910 and SP BMC-12 mics been pretty happy with the results but wondering what is the optimum distance to separate the mics if doing non-stealth recording, (spaced pair mic technique)Generally, the spaced-pair method uses a recommended distance of 17cm, about the same distance as that between a human's ears.anybody ever use the jecklin disk?Cangt say I've used an actual jecklin disc, but I have made similar things myself out of various materials at hand and one does make a difference when using spaced omnis.[The last one I made was a bad-burned DVD-R with felt stretched over it, and an alligator clip screwed to one edge so it could be attached to things. The rest of the "mic mount" consisted of a large lump of plastiscene, two backplane brackets from a PC, and a couple more alligator clips with rubber boots on them that my mics could be attached to simply by inserting their plastic hook-mounts [sP-TFB-2s] into the boots. It actually worked quite well for something that was improvised in under 5 minutes.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmachine Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 I'm a believer in baffled recording with omnis. If the distance between the mics equals the distance of your ears and the baffle equals the shape/consistence of your head, you'll get most realistic results ('as heard') when listening with headphones. I don't think it's worse than the other techniques even for loudspeaker playback, which usually benefits from lesser distance to the sound source. I usually direct the mics forward or just slightly outwards for a better front <-> back recognition. I don't like the coloring effect of the pinna, so i don't like to place them in the ears. It would require the use of canalphones for optimum playback. I prefer spheric over flat baffles. For a quick improvisation, i guess a diy jecklin like dex mentioned would also do suffice.Here's my little test:http://forums.minidisc.org/index.php?showtopic=11297 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 I would also prefer spheric over a disc. This technique [in general] is better for making recordings that are bound for loudspeaker playback. The "true" binaural method [with 180 degree angular difference between mics] sounds good with headphones but can produce weird results over speakers. Forward-facing elements also produce fewer directional artifacts when put through matrix decoding [a la Dolby Surround]. Binaural [180-degree] recordings when decoded this way send anything that is close to the mics and directly to the side straight to the back channel; the jecklin disc or spherical baffle helps with this somewhat but not completely.I would like to try a setup like Aaron Ximm of quietamerican.org uses someday. I'd also like to try 3-channel recording with dual cardioids and a figure-of-8 element, for quadraphonic decoding.Ultimately, I'd like to experiment with Ambisonics.In the meantime, I'm still impressed by the results that can be achieved with my SP-TFB-2s or other stereo omni setups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A440 Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 I'm sometimes spaced and sometimes baffled, but neither has anything to do with recording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 lotfb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cat Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 (edited) I honestly thought I was being followedCool!So, anyway, are really most recordists here record for playback via headphones? Edited January 28, 2006 by Top Cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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