fakeer Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 the MZ-M100 arrived yesterday and it looked like a work of art until a few minutes ago after failing to transfer recordings to PC with the popup message "Error occured while transferring, Unable to transfer to the computer" from SonicStage. now i don't understand if this is due to a security issue or some encoding problem. btw i can listen to the MD tracks just fine from my PC.the whole purpose of my getting the MZ-M100 was to transfer tracks that i have accumulated over the past 3 or 4 years from live recording and studio clips using an old Sharp MD-100 model and a stereo mic. line-out transfer from the Sharp unit sound ok but it's just not the same.i read on the forum that the tracks CANNOT be transferred if they were made using a different unit other than the MZ-M100. this is infuriating considering it's never mentioned anywhere in the manual or the reviews. yet another post states that if only i had gotten a MZ-RH1, i would be able to transfer legacy recordings without problems.has anyone else seen the error coming from SonicStage and know what is the real reason for it's cause? also which came first the M100 or the RH1? what is the truth behind the claim that RH1 can transfer anything and everything to PC?fakeer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmachine Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 The M100 is the MAC compatible equivalent to the RH10, which are one generation older than the RH1 (= M200) and are not designed to upload legacy recordings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeer Posted April 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 ok so the question then is HOW? RH1? some other software?the problem is 5 years old and still hasn't been solved at all. it is sad that incompetent engineering and management has kept the full potential of MD technology under shackles. hope some MD fanatic eventually takes the job to lead the Sony team and fires each and every clown there. the only other option is that the community develops a solution to get around all the roadblocks. the problem of transfer has been a pain in the ass right since the start for all musicians who simply want a quality recording that is also archivable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmachine Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 The RH1 / M200 can upload legacy recordings (although SP/MONO needs to be converted to a format that exists outside of MD). Why not make sure the unit actually does what you need it for before acquiring it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeer Posted April 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 after rooting around on net forums i found the dirty history of this problem in its full glory - http://forum.eclustics.com/bbs/messages/1/92/htmlthe story starts in 2001 but comes to a dubious end in 2006 and still in a state of confusion. yes? no? maybe? this post http://forum.eclustics.com/bbs/messages/1/92/html#POST699783 claims that MZ-RH1 finally lifts the curse of stupidity from SONY's MD team. how true is this let me find out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boojum Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 after rooting around on net forums i found the dirty history of this problem in its full glory - http://forum.eclustics.com/bbs/messages/1/92/htmlthe story starts in 2001 but comes to a dubious end in 2006 and still in a state of confusion. yes? no? maybe? this post http://forum.eclustics.com/bbs/messages/1/92/html#POST699783 claims that MZ-RH1 finally lifts the curse of stupidity from SONY's MD team. how true is this let me find out...neither link works. ;o( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeer Posted April 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 my apologies. the correct links arehttp://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/92.htmlhttp://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/92.html#POST699783meanwhile i downloaded the pdf manual for RH1 and it seems to have the same kind of strings attached and does not clearly state the truth about NET MD support. Here are the few lines: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raintheory Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 (edited) For reference:The only recordings that cannot be transferred to PC with the MZ-RH1 are recordings that were made using a previous install of SonicStage and/or OpenMG software in NetMD mode. You can transfer recordings made using SimpleBurner in NetMD mode, as well as any recordings you made using Mic-In or Line/Optical in. And of course any Hi-MD recordings.However, if you have a unit/deck that is capable of TOC-Cloning you can clone a TOC of a disc recorded via line/mic onto a NetMD/SonicStage recorded disc and it will then upload fine.As stated previously, SP/MONO tracks are converted to either PCM or Hi-SP during transfer, LP2/LP4 recordings transfer as-is.There are plenty of threads here regarding the MZ-RH1/M200 and it's usefullness in transferring legacy MiniDiscs, as well as it's (relatively few) restrictions as I have noted.Hope this helps clear things up.EDIT: One possibility to consider, ...there are numerous members here that own the RH1. If your only need is to get your discs transferred digitally to PC, perhaps you can work something out to mail the discs to someone along with a few blank DVD-R discs and have them upload the discs for you? I've done this for a few members (along with recovering TOC's) in exchange for a few blank MiniDiscs, so maybe work out a trade or price and see if someone can help you out... Just an idea...Also, any recordings you make from here on out with the M100 will be uploadable by you with no problems, plus you can record in PCM with it, so it may be worth hanging onto. Edited April 27, 2007 by raintheory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A440 Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 The manual page refers to tracks transferred FROM the computer to the disc. The idea is that if you copied a (copyrighted) CD to the disc via NetMD, then you cannot copy it to another computer, in case you were to get the bright idea that you wanted to commit such low-fi music piracy. It has nothing to do with uploading recordings originally made on a NetMD unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeer Posted May 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 (edited) raintheory, great idea. never thought of the MD transfer process as a potential service. so is the recording quality really better on M100 compared to RH1 in view of the pre-amp and data acquisition bandwidth or is the difference merely subjective? i'm in the process of exchanging the M100 for an RH1 anyways so just wanted some views if that was a bad idea. Edited May 1, 2007 by fakeer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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