Operator Posted June 27, 2010 Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 I've been on the search high and low, and keep coming up with conflicting information, and before I spend close to $300 for either of the latest MD recorders, I want to make sure they'll do what I need. A quick run down of my current players/recorders: MZ-DH10P, MZ-R3,7 MZ-N505 (unit that did most of my transfers), MZ-NE410, and a MZ-NH600D. As you can see, I've supported the minidisc format for quite some time, but for ease of use, want to move my collection to an mp3 player. The computer that I used for the transfers has long since been gone, and the only copies of the songs are in my MD collection. #1, I haven't tried it in awhile, because none of my computers have the NetMD software loaded anymore (haven't made a disc in many years) but would I be able to "check-in my collection to a brand new computer? For some reason, I doubt it, but thought I'd ask here just in case. My next thought is to purchase an MZ-RH1/MZ-M200. This is where I get conflicting information. With the either of the 2 new recorders and the latest software, can I transfer my NetMD (LP2, and LP4) recordings to my PC? Like I said before, a majority of my collection was made with my MZ-N505 through NetMD back in 2002-2005. I want to either check them back in to a new PC if possible, or transfer them via USB with a MZ-RH1 or MZ-M200 to my PC and convert them to mp3's once I have them on my HD. Thanks for any and all input!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted June 27, 2010 Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 Sorry, but it was always Sony's intention that you should NOT be able to rescue your NetMD recordings off of MD. Their rationale being, these are copies, and it is up to you to save and own the original. Sorry, but these are not my rules, just explaining. There's only one way that I know to get digital-quality NetMD recordings back to a PC, and that is using an MDLP-capable deck, and sending the result through optical out to the PC (equipped with optical in), and recording that optical in with waverec or some such recording software. There's a nice USB external card for $20 that will do that... but first you need a deck. It's possible with audacity but only on the (analog) line out of the portable. The MZ-RH1 will not help you for the recordings you previously downloaded to the NetMD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johbremat Posted June 27, 2010 Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 I'll see if I can find an old disc to test shifting old uploads, but I suspect all the discs I have were manipulated using the same OS and SS4.3U installation. With respects to the MZ-RH1 and MZ-M200, I haven't been able to find and functional differences, and I'm sure the firmware on both my units are the same. As I figure, the only difference between the two is that the M200 is geared towards fielding recording and as such, you her the stereo mic w/ extension cable, blank disc and additional ferrite cores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted June 27, 2010 Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 I'll say it again: you CANNOT re-upload (to the PC) anything that was downloaded (to the MD). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Operator Posted June 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 I'll say it again: you CANNOT re-upload (to the PC) anything that was downloaded (to the MD). Well that's not the news I was hoping to hear............ And I presume, it works the same for the check-in process to a new computer? And I've tried audacity and it doesn't quite split the songs right. I'll have a MD with 20 tracks and with silence hunter, I'll end up with 35........... Thanks though for saving me $300 sfbp!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted June 27, 2010 Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 Note that what I said applies to NetMD, not HiMD. I'm assuming you didnt have any HiMD recordings (or for that matter, MDLP recordings saved on HiMD). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmsla Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Would a new 'cloned' TOC on those discs allow Operator to upload those discs via an M200 or RH1? I never used NetMD myself but, when I make a real time recording, of a CD or LP for example, in SP mode by way of optical input, I will clone a new TOC to the disc afterwards so that I can be free to move tracks around or insert a temporary track mark in a song, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Would a new 'cloned' TOC on those discs allow Operator to upload those discs via an M200 or RH1? I never used NetMD myself but, when I make a real time recording, of a CD or LP for example, in SP mode by way of optical input, I will clone a new TOC to the disc afterwards so that I can be free to move tracks around or insert a temporary track mark in a song, etc. Yup. But to get MDLP tracks you need a TOC-cloning deck or portable that supports MDLP. Not sure how easy that is to find at least in a portable. This is actually one request we should add to the #linux-minidisc project's list of things-to-do. Something to automate TOC cloning. But I recently discussed a possible way to do it generically with their main developer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmsla Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Well, I've got both a deck and a portable that support MDLP and can perform a TOC cloning. (It's actually a bit quicker on the portable, a modified G750, than on the deck, a JE520.) I'd be happy to help out Operator or anyone else who needs a new TOC and doesn't have a machine to do it. Operator can PM me and I can explain the track mark implications and a few others such as whether the disc he recorded to was virgin or had been previously recorded on and "erased" before being recorded on again. -ja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Ah, I missed that - you don't actually need an MDLP-capable deck to TOC-clone an MDLP-recorded disk. That makes things a whole lot easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmsla Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Ha.. I thought the 520 was MDLP capable, ( I dont record a lot in LP2 or LP4), but it works and the portable,, G750 is definately and MDLP unit. The one long silent track on the 'source disc' just has to be in the same recorded mode as the target disc. So I've got 80 and 74 min discs that cantain one long analog track in SP, LP2 and LP4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Operator Posted August 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Well, I've got both a deck and a portable that support MDLP and can perform a TOC cloning. (It's actually a bit quicker on the portable, a modified G750, than on the deck, a JE520.) I'd be happy to help out Operator or anyone else who needs a new TOC and doesn't have a machine to do it. Operator can PM me and I can explain the track mark implications and a few others such as whether the disc he recorded to was virgin or had been previously recorded on and "erased" before being recorded on again. -ja Guess I'm not up to date with the technology. But what are you describing here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmsla Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 Guess I'm not up to date with the technology. But what are you describing here? What I'm describing is a method for replacing the Table Of Contents (TOC) of a disc with the TOC of a different disc. The TOC contains all sorts of information, descriptions and instructions about the disc and it's recorded contents. Say, for example, you inadvertently erased all of the digitally recorded tracks on a disc. The information is not actually "erased" as in 'swept away' but rather, an instruction is added to the TOC telling the disc that it's OK to record over the material that was "erased". This "erased" material can be recovered by placing a new TOC on the disc that does not contain that particular instruction. Magically, the "erased" tracks re-appear. So let's say that, in this example, the 'replacement' TOC just happens, (by terrible mistake and regrettable oversight), to also contain a description identifying the disc's contents as being analog recorded material. Anticipating your next question...no, you would not first have to erase the contents of your disc in order to put a new TOC on there...just for the fun of it of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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