Tommytinkroom Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I just successfully recorded a cd from my PS3 via the optical cable,but when i tried to copy another cd i get "C71/Din Unlock" then it stopped and it just flashes din unlock for a split second but won't record anything. So i tried again this time useing my Samsung cd player again useing an optical cable but all that will show is "cannot copy". I know there is some weird "Serial Copy Management System".But why is it stopping me recording a different cd that i've never recorded before. I just tried another angle,and used a 3.5 optical adapter on my minidisc walkman and tried again to do an optical recording from the PS3 and from my cd player. This time the walkman says "no copy"then a while later shows "no signal". All cables and devices have no faults,and i've tried 4 different optical cables and about 10 different cd's. I'm on the verge of giving up before i have another one of my breakdowns. Would be eternally gratefull if someone had a solution to this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Search for posts by Bluecrab here. He's the man for direct defeating of SCMS. Your first CD was not protected. Your second was most likely a second generation CD (made by a legitimate copy from a normal CD by a piece of software that respects the SCMS rules). Also it's possible there are commercial CD's out there similarly protected, but I just haven't seen any myself. I assume from the above that you are gping back and verifying you can still copy from the first CD at the end of all this pallava. You can buy an SCMS stripper, or you can rip the CD's into your PC and get rid of it in software. Finally, some of the CD-MD combo decks will permit an analog copy when the digital copy fails. That's what's happening here. Good luck. Very likely this was intended behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommytinkroom Posted November 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Search for posts by Bluecrab here. He's the man for direct defeating of SCMS. Your first CD was not protected. Your second was most likely a second generation CD (made by a legitimate copy from a normal CD by a piece of software that respects the SCMS rules). Also it's possible there are commercial CD's out there similarly protected, but I just haven't seen any myself. I assume from the above that you are gping back and verifying you can still copy from the first CD at the end of all this pallava. You can buy an SCMS stripper, or you can rip the CD's into your PC and get rid of it in software. Finally, some of the CD-MD combo decks will permit an analog copy when the digital copy fails. That's what's happening here. Good luck. Very likely this was intended behaviour. Thanks for the reply.The first successfull digital copy via optical cable would not record at the second attempt as would no other cd. Theres no problem doing analogue recordings.In all my years of buying cd's i've only ever come across 1 cd that was encripted. I'm gonna check out Bluecrab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Aha! If the first one (THAT ALREADY WORKED) now fails, something else has gone wrong. You can ignore all of my ramblings. Focus instead on whatever you are using to connect. Question: do you have another MD unit you can try? Sounds to me most likely the MD just upped and died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommytinkroom Posted November 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Aha! If the first one (THAT ALREADY WORKED) now fails, something else has gone wrong. You can ignore all of my ramblings. Focus instead on whatever you are using to connect. Question: do you have another MD unit you can try? Sounds to me most likely the MD just upped and died. I have the minidisc walkman MZ-N520 that i have tried to make an optical recording that fails and shows "no copy" and then "no signal" Someone said that if you convert a cd to wav filles, and then burn to disc and then record it from your device to your minidisc player and you will be able to do a digital recording,well i tried this and all i get is C71/Dinlock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Was the this same one that originally worked? I'm confused a bit by your description, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommytinkroom Posted November 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Was the this same one that originally worked? I'm confused a bit by your description, sorry. Yes it was the first one that originally worked.Maybe Sony thought when they made the MDS-JE440 lets put a digital optical in connection in the back that does absolutely nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 OK so now you have a situation where TWO MD units refused to record optical signals, when one of them already did it. Clearly both recorders didn't die on the same day. Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to isolate the problem. Optical recording works! So figure out what is wrong with the source of the signal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommytinkroom Posted November 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 OK so now you have a situation where TWO MD units refused to record optical signals, when one of them already did it. Clearly both recorders didn't die on the same day. Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to isolate the problem. Optical recording works! So figure out what is wrong with the source of the signal. I've run out of eliminations or as they say all avenues have been exhausted.My only conclusion after useing three different devices,and different optical cables is that the optical signal is being blocked by copyright.I've no idea what to try next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 If it worked once, it should work twice. Unless you convinced yourself it was working at the start when in fact it was not. Is that possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommytinkroom Posted November 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 If it worked once, it should work twice. Unless you convinced yourself it was working at the start when in fact it was not. Is that possible? Ah! the old human error namely me.I would stake my life on it,that i made a digital recording as i remember seeing the D for digital on the lcd and also i remember setting the record level to 00 db which is perfect for a digital recording if i had it set to this level doing an analogue recording it would have been far to low and would have to be set to at least 3.5 db. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 When you change the input level on the 640 (and I assume the 440 looks about the same) it always says Opt(1?) +0.5 dB or whatever. If it was a line recording it would say Anlg +0.0dB. I just checked the menus. I believe your UK model may have Coax input too, so it may not say Opt1, but just Opt. Whoops, the 440 has a different display. But the same thing applies. I suggest you focus efforts on the CD end of the connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommytinkroom Posted November 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 On the 440 i press the input button on the remote and i have the choice of choosing analogue in or digital in and after choosing digital in it shows D-IN on the lcd. Just tried the cd that i originally did a digital recording with and it still shows C71/DinUnlock. CD end of the connections are the PS3 and Samsung Blu-ray player/cd player. I don't know what effort to focus on,they both work perfectly. I must be making a mistake but i just don't know what it is. Optical cable is going from the optical out on the back of the PS3 to the optical in on 440, and optical out from the blu-ray player to optical in on the 440,is this correct? The amp i've got is the Sony DH520 which has two opticals in one for sat/cab and one for tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Is the red light visible in the socket of the PS3 or the BluRay player? Have you updated the PS3's firmware since that initial recording? If you did it (the recording) a while back (as opposed to immediately before this) it's eminently possible that Sony decided to make the signal copy-protected in the meantime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommytinkroom Posted November 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Yes first digital recording done 3 days ago.PS3 has latest update and the red light appears in the socket and at the end of cable from PS3, and blu-ray player. Trying to make optical recording from PS3, minidisc player shows "C71/DinUnlock". Trying to make optical recording from Samsung Blu-ray player,minidisc player shows "C41/Cannot Copy". Trying to make optical recording from PS3 to MZ-N520 walkman shows "No Signal" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 And when exactly did you do the PS3 update? Sorry to belabour the point. The other thing I don't understand is this: the socket on the PS3 is a square one? TIme for me to learn something about the PS3 - have you reviewed (online on in the manual) the contents of this page? http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/audiooutput.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommytinkroom Posted November 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 I just checked out the audio settings on the PS3 after your suggestion and it had some how changed itself from digital out back to hdmi which i had set to digital out when i did the first successful digital recording. So it had defaulted itself back to hdmi or i might have changed it back by accident without realizing it.Thats the reason why the digital signal was being blocked. So i changed it back to digital out and did a test recording (Rubber Soul The Beatles the latest remastering) and it recorded it but no source audio was coming through,so went back to PS3 audio settings and enabled multi audio out and source audio is working and digital recording is working fine. I think the problem with the blu-ray player must in the audio settings aswell,i have'nt checked it out yet. I have a question can i record from the PS3 and the blu-ray player to the minidisc player useing a 3 way optical splitter.Which would eliminate haveing to swap cables. Thanks for all your help during my troubled time.I feel like an anvil has been lifted off my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Once you said that BOTH md gear were failing, I knew the problem had to be at the other end. Sorry I was not more familiar with PS3, it sounds like a versatile box (but then, so is a PC). Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I want to bring up something. Please can y'all look at this URL: http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/cdimport.html Seems to me that this means the PS3 can import Atrac CD's. Has anyone with a playstation actually tried it? I know I gave an Atrac CD to a friend and he said the disk doesn't actually play (but maybe he hadn't done the enable). But it looks like at least one can IMPORT them from the PS3's drive. Amazing, if so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azureal Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Stephen, I can give this a try. I have a first generation PS3, one of the ones with all of the bells and whistles that Sony has stripped out of the design over the years. I think however, you may be reading the page you link to incorrectly. The PS3 allows one to rip audio from redbook CD to the internal hard drive for later playback. One of the options for the CODEC to encode the files is ATRAC. I do not think the unit will copy files from an ATRAC CD created in SonicStage onto the local drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 The "enable ATRAC" seems to me to be about authenticating the PS3 device. I don't see why it should need to as they could easily have given it keys, just as every AtracCD player has. Anyway this is an "angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin" argument. Please give it a shot. If it works, I may well honour Sony with a little more business sometime soon before they abolish that feature. I bet you're right, though.. i probably read the page too quickly. Curious if that PC file is totally locked, or can be read by the newest linux-minidisc code. Cheers Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomLord Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Hi, I don't know if anybody is still looking at this thread, but I had similar "cannot copy" problems and I googled out this forum. Anyway I found a solution of my problems, which may work for you as well. Namely... I was recording via optical cable from my laptop to my MD deck and for almost 40MD's everything was perfect, but one day "cannot copy" on MD deck as well as on portable MD recorder. The problem was in the settings of optical output - before I started my first ever recording I changed default format to "2 channels stereo, 16bit, 44,1kHz" and everything worked fine, but one day my laptop changed default format to "Dolby Digital Live 5.1 surround" so the optical data became unknown to MD recorders. I changed it back to stereo 16bit, 44,1kHz and recording works like a charm. I don't know anything about PS3, but maybe there is an option for setting default format of optical output as well. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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