Christopher Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 You can digitally upload with a deck; purchase a Chaintech AV-710 soundcard with digital in/out [they only cost like $35], and get a deck with digital out. Sync the deck to your computer and upload the tracks. You may have to chop the tracks up [sometimes you don't have to] but that's not really a big deal and wouldn't take too long. That's the only way you'll be able to digitally upload to a computer. NetMD cannot facilitate anything upload related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini-doug Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 Hello kurisu, You can digitally upload with a deck; purchase a Chaintech AV-710 soundcard with digital in/out [they only cost like $35], and get a deck with digital out. Sync the deck to your computer and upload the tracks. You may have to chop the tracks up [sometimes you don't have to] but that's not really a big deal and wouldn't take too long.I am really new here (my first post / question). Anyway, like steve77, I also have a lot of source material I have recorded live onto a "standard", i.e, "old", Sony MD Walkman. I have "transferred" some of my recordings to my PC using the analog method (headphone out jack on MD Walkman to line/mic in jack on PC soundcard). But I would really rather avoid the additional D/A and A/D conversions by doing a digital transfer. Have you done this yourself? If so (or maybe even "if not") I have some questions (okay, quite a few questions) I'd like to shoot across your bow... Would you like me to post them here? Or take it offline? Thanks, mini-doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 Post 'em here. :happy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini-doug Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 Okay, here they come... First off, does the Chaintech AV-710 support digitial-in? I just Google'd it and saw that it is spec'd with a digital out, but didn't see the in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 No digital in. I was completely wrong in my inital assessment about the card having a digital in. Suppose I was too excited, I guess. :rasp: There's plenty of cheap digital in [and expensive] cards, though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini-doug Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 Also, a reivew of the Chaintech AV-710 said this, "Audiophiles will want to look to other products but for most the Chaintech AV-710 delivers really good audio for the price." I wonder what they're "giving up" that would cause audiophiles to search elsewhere? I was looking at the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 PCI card. It seems to have really good specs and looks like it can be had for about $150. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini-doug Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 kurisu, Have you done a digital transfer from a MD deck to a PC soundcard which supports digital-in? If so, which equipment did you use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 I have never facilitated such a transfer [i have seen it in action, though], but I know well enough that it's been discussed quite a bit in this thread and many others [try search]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini-doug Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 Okay, I'll search... I think. I'm new here and not very adept at navigating the message board / threads / search facilities, etc. Will a search peruse the entire forum, a single thread, or other? Is there a help page, maybe under FAQ, which will instruct me in the basics of Forum Navigation? And more specifically... I have never facilitated such a transfer [i have seen it in action, though], but I know well enough that it's been discussed quite a bit in this thread and many others [try search].if you've "seen it discussed quite a bit", could you offer me a search pattern which would take me to such discussions straight away? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A440 Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 One more time: An analog transfer via NetMD that keeps the track marks can be done via Winnetmd http://christian.klukas.bei.t-online.de/fi...md/winNetMD.htm It's a sound-recording program that transfers all your edits via NetMD and puts each track in your PC as a separate file, easy to burn or whatever. It's under $20 and saves a whole lot of time editing. I don't know if it works yet with Sonic Stage 2 or Connect, so you may have to revert to Sonic Stage 1.x. It's not digital, but hey, live recordings aren't exactly audiophile anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini-doug Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 Okay... I followed your link to the web page about Winnetmd. This sounds pretty handy (time savings, etc.) but do I need a NetMD capable portable or deck to use this? I currently only have a "standard" MD portable. So if I'm going to have to buy another MD unit, this quote from the Winnetmd web page is very interesting, "If you have a NetMD deck, optical digital recording is possible, too." Then I could have it both ways!?! I also did some searching and found some interesting stuff here: Minidisc Community Forum Index -> General Format-Related Discussions -> Live Recording -> No digital out at all? It is from Jan/Feb 2003. Users Mystyler and optimistic-pessimist were discussing their uses of a MD deck with digital out to transfer to the digital in on their soundcards. So kurisu or A440, do you have suggestions about where to buy a (new or used) deck with digital out (and optionally NetMD capable)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAjEsTiC Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 u could get a Sony MDSJB980 deck...it's a nice new deck with optic out and a lot of other nice features...or if u didn't want to spend that much for a new one u can take a look at the MDSJE780 instead...lowest Sony deck w/ Optical output... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini-doug Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Thanks Majestic, Any thoughts about where to find the best prices on decks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soth Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 I have MD MZ-R700, can I transfer whatever I record to the PC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A440 Posted July 10, 2004 Report Share Posted July 10, 2004 "Transfer": no. Realtime: yes. For WinNetMD you need NetMD--which is N** models, not R**. With the MZ-R700, your only option is to record in realtime to the computer and edit it later, as endlessly detailed above, using Audacity or other sound recording/editing programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmbrown Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 I've read through this thread and learned a lot, but I'm stuck on the last step. I have an MZ-N10 and I have several discs of live music. I've separated most discs into tracks already but I'll be making more in the future and I'm not sure that I want to do my editing on my recorder. That depends on how easy or difficult it is to do on my PC. I read that I could use WinNetMD to record the audio in real-time but preserve the track info on the recorder or that I could record one long track and edit on the PC. I considered WinNetMD for a while but didn't proceed down that path on the assumption that if I had to edit it after the fact, the PC might be easier. I downloaded and installed Audacity and have used it to make an hour long project. I can export this hour to one big MP3 with no trouble, but I'm having trouble coming up with an efficient way to separate this track into the 15 or so that it should really be. The tutorial and help didn't offer much in that direction, but I attempted it on a few tracks by copying them out to a new project and exporting the MP3 from there. Is that really the best way? My dream application would let me run down the long track and place markers along the way to mark the boundaries. Then with a click of a button, it would create the MP3s as "Track 1", "Track 2", etc. Does such a thing exist? Compared to this, editing on the recorder seems the easy way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A440 Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 I don't know about your ideal, but you can cut-and-paste tracks pretty quickly. Highlight the waveform of the track, copy it, open a new file, and paste it. You can usually see where they break because applause looks different from music. Perhaps that's what you've been doing already . WinNetMD records each track as a separate file--1.wav, 2.wav, etc.-- so essentially it does what you want, but you're right--you do have to edit on the MD first. I just looked at the Audacity site and it's saying that the next version will "export multiple files in one step," so maybe it's getting closer to the ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmbrown Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Speaking of "ideals", I bought and installed WinNetMD... Now that's the best $13 I ever spent! I didn't do that first because of "the expense" since I didn't know what it cost and because of the "complicated install" based on the various components that it said had to be installed. I LOVED the concept of "just install it and we'll test it... then you can buy it. I did all that and more. What a GREAT app! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipaqman Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 I just started following this thread. I tried using my PC and sound recording software (Total Recorder, Sound Forge, etc) to move audio from my R900 reliably. What I found was that it was almost impossible to transfer hours of audio without introducing occasional skips/hiccups. Moreover, I needed to use my conputer for other tasks (email, web browsing, work). After some experimentation, I found an excellent solution in the Nomad Jukebox 3. It can record up to ten straight hours of audio to lossless WAV or to MP3 format. Then you can upload the digital file to a PC in minutes. No skips or hiccups or extraneous noises in the re-recordings. The NJB3 even has an optical input for those with MD optical outputs. For those who want a good, reliable PC method, a possible solution is the XP Media Center PC. The best of these PCs have a video tuner card which outputs a hardware encoded MPEG2 stream to the file system. Very little CPU power is used. These systems are designed to record TV shows in excellent quality without hiccups or skips even during use. A user could plug an MD line-out to the audio line-in of the tuner card and record reliably. On an HP M470 PC, this recording process uses less than 2 percent of the CPU. I can browse, email, and even do LAME conversions without affecting the recording transfer. I used to run an ATI All-In-Wonder tuner card on another PC and I could not even touch the PC without causing dropped frames. Not so with the XP MCE PC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 I have a Sony Walkman mii-disk MZ NF810, and just love it. I have had so much fun taping at shows, and recording it onto my p.c., via sound card, and then making cds. This was all made possible thanks to great help I got here from A440 and others. I recently had to re-store my p.c. settings to an earlier time, before I got my mini disc recorder. Now, when it try to record from my mini-disc to my pc, I can record it just fine, but when I play it back there is static on the sound. I recorded it on Audigy, and on Wave Studio from Creative Studios. And both times: static. I don't know what to do. I did all the trouble shooting things that worked in past, suggested by A440. I unplugged everything, didn't use docking station, separated everything checked cords, turned off all programs on my computer, turned off the sounds. Anyone else have trouble with Static on their playbacks? Thanks in advance for your help.... :smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Linda: do you have anything else you can plug in to your sound card to check if it's the card or your MD causing the static? And do you have anything you can plug the MD into [computer speakers would work well] that you could use to check its output? I'm not familiar with wave studio, but does it give you realtime record level meters when you're recording? Just to be sure that you're not overloading the input of your audigy. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Thanks for your response. When I plug speakers into my sound card, while I am recording from mini-disc to pc, it sounds great, and when I use the headphones on the sound card, it sounds fine. Also, I can listen to the mini-discs just fine with my head phones; sound is great, no static. I was recording with the Creative Wave Studio, and it was working fine. Now, when I record from minidisc to sound card to pc using Wave Studio, the sound will be great for a while, showing the squiggly lines, graph lines. And that part will sound fine when I play it back. Then there are these big sections of solid color -- and that is just loud noise. The big blocks of sound are random each time I record from mini-disc; not at the same place on the recording. And it happens on all the mini-discs I try to upload, or record to p.c. When I play back the recordings from the pc using Wave Studio, the sound is fine (NO STATIC), but there are those sections of loud sound, inbetween the good stuff that sounds okay. That's why I went to the Audacity to record. I can record fine from mini-disc to pc; there are no large chunks of loud sound -- just the nice squiggly, graph lines. But when I play back from Audacity, there is always the static. No static when I record, or when I listen to mini-disc, but lots of static when I play it back from the c.d. Any suggestions? I have so much good music I would like to put on cds; but maybe it can't happen! Frustrated in Colorado Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Sounds a bit like something is changing the levels while you're recording with Wave Studio. Those solid blocks would likely be clipping distortion from the input being overloaded. As to Audacity, are the settings valid for your Audigy? I mean bit depth [16 / 24 bit] and sampling rate [44,100 / 48,000, etc.]. Maybe Audiacity is having to resample everything because a setting is werd somehow. I can't recall what it defaults to, but this sounds at least plausible; quantising distortion can sound like static at times. There's also the possibility that it's set to use an overactive drive on your computer for its temporary files, and is experiencing just -slight- gapping as a result. I'm grasping at straws though. Perhaps you could email me a clip of one of your recordings? Even 10 seconds would do. I might be able to tell what the problem is just by listening. Oh.. and this should really be moved to the tech support area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Thank you, Dex O. I am going to look at the settings again. I've never sent a wave file, but it's probaly just like sending other files, huh? I cut and paste to a file. These are technical questions, I agree. However, this was the first place I came after buying my Mini-Disc recorder, recording 3 days of Willie Nelson & Family last March, and not having a clue about how to get it to cds. And this thread has taught me everything! So it's so familiar, plus, I think others must encounter the same problems as me when they are trying to get the music into their computer. But I sure don't mind if it gets moved, however that happesn... Thanks again, Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 I'm starting to look at the whole fora like that. You're welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Move the whole thread or just snippets? I honestly find it relevant to the forum it's within, ya know, and I'm sure it's helped many.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaxevan Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 I bought a minidisc recorder/player a year or two ago thinking it would be a nice little music tool to have around. As far as playing music went, I ended up hating it and it just sat around my desk waiting to be sent off to ebay. But....I think I found a new use for it. I purchased the small sony stereo condenser mic (i don't remeber the product name) for recording family stories since some older members are fading and for recording language classes at school. I'm using the Sony MZ-N707 recorder. I've found it a real pain in the butt to get my recordings into the computer easily. So my first question is this. Is there an EASY way to get recordings into the computer w/o a bunch of software. also Does anyone know off the top of their head any software for linux that will function like soundforge? Thank you very much, any answers are appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A440 Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Easy as in instant? No. You have to record in realtime. Read back through this thread. There is a Linux version of Audacity for recording and editing. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Doesn't have all the bells and whistles of Soundforge, but works quite well for basic tasks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Welcome to the forums, vaxevan. :grin: We give extra love to our Linux users. :love: What distro are you running? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erlinde Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 I'have been searching for a software crack since I bought my Net-MD in May this year. I bought it while the shop attendend told me it was ideal to upload my home recorded music to my PC (what a sod.....). After a month of recordingd I discoverd that a transer from Net-Md to PC using the USB cabel was inpossible. I call'd Sony to confront them whith the problem. They told me that it was disabeld in the software. I suggested to crack it......the Sony employee, suggested to surch on google.......while it had been done before.......................... By who?????? Help!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc-Andre Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 First, thanks a lot to everybody (specially to A440), this topic help me a lot. I'm trying to get WinNetMD but I cannot get to this adress http://christian.klukas.bei.t-online.de/fi...md/winNetMD.htm ??? Is that my Internet Explorer or the adress is simply no more good? And does somebody knows another way to get WinNetMD? Thanks You... Marc-Andre, Montréal, Québec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A440 Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 two quick responses: As far as I know, there's no software crack for NetMD, and not for lack of trying. Christian Klukas used to be on these boards as tmeg. Find one of his messages and send him a message offline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I am unstickying this thread because it's just too long for someone to casually read for information. This is still an extremely helpful topic, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catdreamz Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 I have the plug to plug connection from my headphone jack on the MD to the line in on my computer but when I record in Audacity (or any other program) I can hear in the playback 1) computer noise (typing, etc...) and 2) the sound of air/static. What do I do? Ashley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A440 Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 The typing sound is mysterious. Does your computer regularly send keyboard sounds through speakers or headphones? I suggest you go to Settings--Control Panel--Sounds and turn off every sound you don't think is essential. Norton, Microsoft Works and all kinds of other programs trigger sounds. You have to select (None) for each one from the top of a drop-down list, very tedious--and don't forget to Apply--but you only have to do it once. If that doesn't fix it, then....don't type? With the static, you need to check along the signal path step by step. Let's assume that headphones plugged directly into the MD sound OK. Does your computer have a separate line-in jack and mic-in jack? Or is there only one input, which is (unfortunately) a mic jack? My first guess about your problem is that you're recording via mic jack, which is dicey. If you are using a genuine Line-In, then try recording something else into it, like a CD player, and see if that's staticky too. And try changing your connector cord. Even new ones can sometimes be lemons. But I fear it's a mic jack. A mic jack leads to a preamp, a cheap little one if you have a laptop. You may be describing the static of a bad connection, or you may be describing a noisy preamp. Try plugging your microphone into the mic jack and recording it. Do you also get static? Move the plug in the jack and see if there's any difference, something that might suggest a loose mic-jack connection. On the other hand, if the mic works without static, then your plug-to-plug cord may be the problem, so just replace it. If the preamp is pumping up the signal from your MD too much or straining to amplify a low signal, that could create static. Try using different volumes coming out of the headphone jack, both louder and softer. But a little preamp may just be noisy. If your computer is under warranty you could demand they fix a bad mic jack connection or line-in jack connection. But if your preamp is staticky, you may just be stuck with it. In that case, or if you're out of warranty, your best and cheapest solution is probably to get an external sound card or a Griffin iMic, either of which will also give you a line input via a USB port, for a cleaner recording. Back when this thread was starting, I got my Creative Labs Extigy soundcard, which I'm still satisfied with, but there may be newer and/or cheaper models now, and the iMic will do the job too for about $35. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shermy Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Catdreamz, I've had a similar experience recording old LPs on Audacity. The culprit ended up being the Microphone In line on my computer. It wasn't being used, was turned all the way up, and was not muted. In the volume control panel (you may have to go into options-->properties and select microphone so the volume control shows up for it), I muted the microphone and the sounds went away. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catdreamz Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 thanks for the tips... i will try them! in the meantime, i ordered a cheap (under $150) dual cd recorder to have separate from my computer. it just seems easier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catdreamz Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 the typing sounds were being picked up by the microphone on my webcam! i muted it and changed some other settings. thanks for the tips... i'm finding audacity difficult to use. i don't understand how to start recording a new stereo track. and i don't understand how to insert track marks so i can edit this concert i recorded. i want to put it on cd and make tracks. i used to use cool edit, but was having a slight buzzing noise problem on my recordings so i gave up transferring my minidiscs at all for a long time. do i cut out selections and save them as separate tracks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TadAskew Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 You record in realtime from headphone out of MD to Line in of PC. Connect MD headphone out to PC Line In via plug-to-plug cord. WinNetMD at http://christian.klukas.bei.t-online.de/fi...md/winNetMD.htmwill transfer track-mark and title info to the recordings via NetMD and USB connection; it needs Open MG or Sonic Stage 1 (2 is not supported yet) and Microsoft's .net framework, a big free download. If you haven't already edited the tracks on the MD, then Audacity is a good free recording program. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/It will make one long track that you can edit. An hourlong MD will take about 1G of disc space for a .wav recording.←Question. I have the Sony MZ-NH1 HI MD Recorder/Player... have had it for a year or so I guess. How do I transer the live recordings I've made on my mini disc to my computer in order to burn to cd? I know my recorder/player isn't a Net MD, so I'm not sure if winNetMD which has been recommended quite a bit would be appropriate for the Mini Disc recorder I'm using. Also, the link to the winNetMD seems to be giving me problems... doesn't go through.. is the site still up and running?I've been using this Mini Disc recorder for some time now to record my own band's live recordings. I still haven't successfully gotten to the point of transferring the material to my computer, and subsequently the number of Mini Discs I have are growing in number... been saving the discs instead of using them over again because of the transfer problem.Any and all help would be much appreciated. Very frustrated. Please feel free to email suggestions without attachments to my email TadAskew@msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A440 Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 You don't need this thread at all!!! You have a Hi-MD recorder. Install SonicStage 3.2 with thishttp://forums.minidisc.org/downloads/details.php?file=23and then look at this thread:http://forums.minidisc.org/index.php?showtopic=6330This thread was back in the days before Hi-MD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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