HiMD, Memory Stick , Sony is cheating your money

[alcohol]

YES, Sony is cheating your money . . .

Squeezing it slowly, maximizing every drop he can suck out of you.

WHY?

It'a long story . . . . .

About 10 years ago, Sony invented 2 powerful technology.

That's MD and ATTRAC.

These two item could have had huge implications on the entire world.

With MD, they invented the MD-DATA.

Their first MD-DATA drive was the MDH-10.

With the MD-DATA drive, Sony made the first MD-Digicam DSC-M1.

Sony also invented the 3.5" floppy disk drive in 1981.

MD in fact was designed to be the replacement for the 3.5" floppy drive.

The music nature of MD was also but one side of it.

BUT why was MD restricted to Music only for the past decade?

It never became the defacto like the 3.5" floppy disk.

This is where Memory Stick comes in.

After the DSC-M1, Sony deliberately refused to make another MD digicam.

They knew if they want to maximize profit & obtain monopoly.

They must not make anymore MD-Digicam nor MD-DATA Drive.

This is where Memory Stick comes it.

You see, for Sony, their profit comes from semi-conductor sale.

Whereas with MD disc, Fuji, Axia, TDK, everyone could make it.

Even FABS in China could. (I have personally visited several for my work.)

& Sony foresaw that, & so choose to create a new format.

The memory stick was born.

From day one, they knew they could make memory sticks with several gigabyte. An entire roadmap was made.

By using memory stick for data & making MD restricted to music only, Sony would wrestle the media market back into their own hands.

The dream for Sony was, Memory Stick (Semi-conductor) would lead them to riches.

& Sony created the constant growing demand for Memory Stick, as they progressively raised the resolution size for CCCDs.

If you compare the prices a 128MB memory stick with a HiMD blank, you get the idea. Memory Stick was the cash cow.

For that reason, they ditched (froze) the MD-DATA ability.

The entire world would have changed, if they continued developement of the MD-Digicam & MD Data.

In the early days of VAIO promotion, prototype of VAIO notebooks were made with MD-DATA drives. NO FLOPPIES.

The ability was there, & it was bound to be accepted world-wide.

It would kill the floppy instantly.

BUT Sony did not do that.

& they never will. HiMD will only be sold as an WALKMAN ITEM.

So as to maximize profit.

BTW, when Sony finally decided to market HiMD this year.

Sony never had consumer benefits in their mind.

But rather their WALKMAN market share have been significantly encroached by solid state MP3 players & again saw that out of desperation they must finally release MD-DATA side or other semi-conductor maker would rise to power.

Today, most stores don't stock MD-player anymore.

90% of players sold today are MP3 players.

Even Sony's own NETWORK WALKMAN can't fight those from cheap MP3 players.

You see, even my gf's female co-worker tell her Sony is bad because of the need for reconvertion from MP3 to ATTRAC before they could load the music. (Now, that's really when even woman understand that issue. They are not suppose to know, & like whatever I get for her.)

NOW ATTRAC was ahead of its time.

Almost a decade ahead of MP3.

It has the ability to do whatever MP3 did to the world.

Easy upload on the net, great sound, easy for you to FTP from me.

There can be no doubt.

Once again, Sony made that proprietary.

Closed & shut its door.

We all knew why, Sony was on its way to becoming a record label.

& that itself was dangerous enough to careful limit ATTRAC's ability.

Luckily, someone understood the strength of ATTRAC, & made a clone.

MP3 was born. & that took the world by storm.

NAPSTER was king. Sony's greatest fear came true.

Those days I would visit the HMV site, pick an album, then got the song from Napster within 30 secs.

So what is the roadmap with HiMD?

Hi-MD will always be sold as a portable player/recorder only.

Integration with the VAIO PC family is likely.

BUT MD-digicam will never happen.

It is in conflict with their MS based Cybershot.

Nonetheless there is a slim chance, as Sony have ceased production on all CD Mavicas Digicam.

The MVC-CD500 is their last model.

That means either they have altogether decided Mavicas are too bulky.

Or Mavicas should be MD-Mavicas capable of being USB mass-storage.

We will know the answer before December 04.

It is likely as Sony have successful strunk the entire Cybershot line.

& MD based Mavicas will not conflict with Cybershots.

Each will fill its own niche.

MD was good. Real good.

BUT Sony deliverately crippled it.

Delayed it.

Shelved it.

To make more profit from semi-conductor sales.

BTW, I had the DSC-M1 before.

Then it broke down, Sony offered a cybershot replacement & I took it.

Looking back I loved that digicam so much.

It was fully functional in terms of functions like today's Cybershot.

Full Apereture Priority, Shutter priority.

Flash power. . . .

[Christopher]

Moving this to the correct forum..

[jadeclaw]

Hmm, let's try an answer...

It wasn't malice, that killed MD-DATA, it was stupidity. Instead of offering discs and drives at a competitive price AND adding the necessary PR-work, they let it slip into oblivion. Bernoulli drives and TapeStreamers won.

Second, the same shitty marketing nearly killed MD-Audio as well. That MD is still alive outside Japan is to thank to some specialized dealers and internet sites like Minidisc.org.

Third, when the Memory stick entered the market, Smart-Media and Compact-Flash had the biggest market share. And Compact Flash cards are still the most used memory cards.

That Sony no longer produces the CD-Mavicams has a simple reason: Size and production cost. For a CD you need complicated mechanics, a memory stick just needs a piece of plastic with a few contacts tacked onto it. In addition, most digicams are relatively small - No space for a CD...

Oh, and Sony's latest 8 Megapixel digicam takes CompactFlash as well.

Plus, the digicam market is highly competitive, so manufacturers have to cut cost, whenever possible.

Fourth: Hi-MD portable only? I don't think so.

Sony started with portables first, as that is the segment with the highest sales. But expect home and car units later as well. I strongly suggest to look to Japan. And there are other licensees as well, so expect more choice next year...

Hmm, not HiMD-Digicam? I think, a Hi-MD camcorder is more likely...

[highlandsun]

Yeah, just what the world needed, yet another form factor of Flash memory. Bleah. MemoryStick is bogus, I hope it dies and Sony puts CompactFlash on more of their products in the future.

[alieninhead]

CF is awesome, cheap, but its so for a reason. It's not the fastest device out there (unless you buy high grade CF) and it's bigger, so you can use bigger semiconductors on the lower scale of CF capacities and subsidize the cost of smaller ones for larger capacities by making the smaller capacities a bit more money than really needed.

Memory Stick, especially Pro, etc., is inherently faster. Just like SD. The technology has progressed beyond CF, even though CF is my perferred choice.

It is no surprise that Sony would decide to develop a new format as CF and Smart Media were the really two big contenders at the time; they wanted something with a smaller, slimmer form factor. And now with Memory Stick Duo..it's the size of an SD card, roughly.

But, unlike the diamond industry, which is controlled by DeBeers and has a high artificially placed price point because of controlled diamond supply, flash memory is not cheap to produce. No matter how you slice it. Static RAM is not, and may never be, as cheap as CDs. And I wouldn't want it that way either--may not be so good for the enviroment :wink: .

Anyway....oh, and I also find the spiel about "if a woman knows.." offensive. :-P

~a.i.h.

[highlandsun]

I'm not sure what your point about CF is; what is the difference between buying "high grade CF" vs MemoryStick Pro? At least high grade CF provides a speedup in all CF hardware; MemoryStick Pro only provides a speedup in Pro-compatible hardware. Otherwise it operates at the same slow speed as normal MemorySticks.

[alieninhead]

I don't even know if MS Pro is compatible with non-MS pro devices..I think it works or it doesn't?

My point being, even normal Memory Stick/SD is supposedly inherently faster than normal CF...

~a.i.h.

[The_Stamp]

I don't even know if MS Pro is compatible with non-MS pro devices..I think it works or it doesn't?

[mAjEsTiC]

MS Pro and MS (normal) are a little different in their structure...MS Pro doesn't work with Sony products that can only use MS...but some of the newer Sony devices that do have the capability of using MS Pro kinda sux coz not all support the high speed parallel transport mode they use for faster access speeds...and there's no way MS is faster than CF...SD i can agree upon but not MS...it's one of the slower media out there along with MMC's and SM...

[kalo]

YES, Sony is cheating your money . . .

Squeezing it slowly, maximizing every drop he can suck out of you.

WHY?

It'a long story . . . . .  

About 10 years ago, Sony invented 2 powerful technology.

That's MD and ATTRAC.

These two item could have had huge implications on the entire world.

With MD, they invented the MD-DATA.

Their first MD-DATA drive was the MDH-10.

With the MD-DATA drive, Sony made the first MD-Digicam DSC-M1.

Sony also invented the 3.5" floppy disk drive in 1981.

MD in fact was designed to be the replacement for the 3.5" floppy drive.

The music nature of MD was also but one side of it.

BUT why was MD restricted to Music only for the past decade?

It never became the defacto like the 3.5" floppy disk.

This is where Memory Stick comes in.

After the DSC-M1, Sony deliberately refused to make another MD digicam.

They knew if they want to maximize profit & obtain monopoly.

They must not make anymore MD-Digicam nor MD-DATA Drive.

This is where Memory Stick comes it.

You see, for Sony, their profit comes from semi-conductor sale.

Whereas with MD disc, Fuji, Axia, TDK, everyone could make it.

Even FABS in China could. (I have personally visited several for my work.)

& Sony foresaw that, & so choose to create a new format.

The memory stick was born.

From day one, they knew they could make memory sticks with several gigabyte. An entire roadmap was made.

By using memory stick for data & making MD restricted to music only, Sony would wrestle the media market back into their own hands.  

The dream for Sony was, Memory Stick (Semi-conductor) would lead them to riches.

& Sony created the constant growing demand for Memory Stick, as they progressively raised the resolution size for CCCDs.

If you compare the prices a 128MB memory stick with a HiMD blank, you get the idea. Memory Stick was the cash cow.

For that reason, they ditched (froze) the MD-DATA ability.

The entire world would have changed, if they continued developement of the MD-Digicam & MD Data.  

In the early days of VAIO promotion, prototype of VAIO notebooks were made with MD-DATA drives. NO FLOPPIES.

The ability was there, & it was bound to be accepted world-wide.

It would kill the floppy instantly.

BUT Sony did not do that.  

& they never will. HiMD will only be sold as an WALKMAN ITEM.

So as to maximize profit.

BTW, when Sony finally decided to market HiMD this year.

Sony never had consumer benefits in their mind.

But rather their WALKMAN market share have been significantly encroached by solid state MP3 players & again saw that out of desperation they must finally release MD-DATA side or other semi-conductor maker would rise to power.  

Today, most stores don't stock MD-player anymore.

90% of players sold today are MP3 players.

Even Sony's own NETWORK WALKMAN can't fight those from cheap MP3 players.

You see, even my gf's female co-worker tell her Sony is bad because of the need for reconvertion from MP3 to ATTRAC before they could load the music. (Now, that's really when even woman understand that issue. They are not suppose to know, & like whatever I get for her.)

NOW ATTRAC was ahead of its time.

Almost a decade ahead of MP3.

It has the ability to do whatever MP3 did to the world.

Easy upload on the net, great sound, easy for you to FTP from me.

There can be no doubt.

Once again, Sony made that proprietary.

Closed & shut its door.  

We all knew why, Sony was on its way to becoming a record label.

& that itself was dangerous enough to careful limit ATTRAC's ability.

Luckily, someone understood the strength of ATTRAC, & made a clone.

MP3 was born. & that took the world by storm.

NAPSTER was king. Sony's greatest fear came true.

Those days I would visit the HMV site, pick an album, then got the song from Napster within 30 secs.

So what is the roadmap with HiMD?

Hi-MD will always be sold as a portable player/recorder only.

Integration with the VAIO PC family is likely.

BUT MD-digicam will never happen.

It is in conflict with their MS based Cybershot.

Nonetheless there is a slim chance, as Sony have ceased production on all CD Mavicas Digicam.

The MVC-CD500 is their last model.

That means either they have altogether decided Mavicas are too bulky.

Or Mavicas should be MD-Mavicas capable of being USB mass-storage.

We will know the answer before December 04.

It is likely as Sony have successful strunk the entire Cybershot line.

& MD based Mavicas will not conflict with Cybershots.

Each will fill its own niche.

MD was good. Real good.

BUT Sony deliverately crippled it.

Delayed it.

Shelved it.

To make more profit from semi-conductor sales.

BTW, I had the DSC-M1 before.

Then it broke down, Sony offered a cybershot replacement & I took it.

Looking back I loved that digicam so much.

It was fully functional in terms of functions like today's Cybershot.

Full Apereture Priority, Shutter priority.

Flash power. . . .

Where did you get the information and background from?

[aeriyn]

Try not to dig up old threads, kthnx. :whatever:

Look, Kurisu! I'm still moderating, even with no PC to call my own. :grin:

[Christopher]

Look, Kurisu! I'm still moderating, even with no PC to call my own.  :grin:

:love: :love: :love:

All the best for you, lass. :happy: