tartan Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 If Sonicstage screws up an upload, what should you listen or look out for if an upload went wrong ??? Do Sonicstage or hi md minidisc recorders watermark recordings with hidden inaudible codes??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwakrz Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 If SS messes up an upload it will 75% of the time trash the data on the minidisc as the TOC will not be correct. Only way out of that is to format and start again. What to look out for is an unstable PC (If it crashes while doing the copy it will cause problems) but appart from that there shouldn't be any problems. I have had SS freeze up for about 30 seconds once so if it does freeze give it some time to unstick (mine was during a copy when a background program launched). SS does not "Watermark" a recording as such, it wraps the recording up in DRM so that you cant do much with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartan Posted September 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 Would flipping the read only flap to read only before uploading avoid the TOC getting screwed up??? Or must the read only flap be on write mode (so Sonicstage can flag the tracks on the disc to block more uploads, etc) ??? or can it write the flags to disc even if the flaps go read only ??? Does the read only flap physically block the write head from reaching the disc or does it tell the player not to write ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwakrz Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 Ok, I may be getting a bit lost here with your comments. Ill check a few things first We are talking about copying data / music from the PC to the Hi-MD I call this Uploading If so the write protect tab MUST be set so that you can write to the disc. If not SS has a spasum and reports that you must change the tab. The TOC holds all the data for the location of your tracks so when it is updated this is the most vunerable time to corruption. If anything goes wrong when its updating the TOC, say bye bye to the contents of the disc. Saying all this, I have never yet had any problems or crashes while putting data / audio onto any of the discs I own. (Even one that failed to record on ANY deck I had, due to bad sectors on the disc, now works fine again). The little write protect tab only tells the firmware to never turn the laser on to write with. If you look in the service manuals for some units it says that while in service mode you can still write to a disc that is write protected using the tab SO BE CAREFULL. If we are talking about copying from Hi-MD to PC (This only applies to Hi-MD as NetMD will NOT allow this) i call this Downloading. I have never tried this. You may be able to copy the contents off of the MD with the write protect tab set, however I do know that SS wants to update a flag to stop you doing it again on another PC so it may well fail. As such, again we have a TOC update and the same as above applies. There have been reports of the file failing to copy across and then you have lost it. SS allows you to keep a copy on the MD but its a tick box you have to tick to get it to NOT delete the file off the MD. Personally I might be tempted to say, use a digital recording program as descussed elsewhere on this board and just play the audio back in real time down the USB cable & into the recorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadeclaw Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 Readonly discs cannot be uploaded. You have to close the read-protect lever for the upload even to start. Symptom of a failed upload: you see the little green icon in front of each track? (Transfer window, inserted Hi-MD disc) If a track is uploadable it looks like this <[]. After upload, the pointy edge is gone [] On a failed upload, the counter still goes up to 100% but the icon stays pointy. <[] In addition, the failed track is no longer playable. Not via SS, not in standalone mode "CANNOT PLAY". To reduce the probability of a failure, connect the USB-cable only. If the recording cannot repeated, record it off the USB instead of uploading it. The protect lever simply pushes a switch, so no mechanics involved here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartan Posted September 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 The work "upload" is used here as minidisc to computer. apologies for mixing up upload and download. This question about the reliability in copying music from minidisc to computer was raised because in someone's else's tips (don't know who it was, but it's on one of the boards somewhere) which the stream from the minidisc player is recorded with Total Recorder and not from Sonicstage's My Library (after it was uploaded) because of possible imperfect upload. Is uploaded sound exactly the same as it was when on the disc ??? or is there some degradation somewhere ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadeclaw Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 It's not, that the upload adds imperfections, it is that tracks get randomly trashed. If a track is successfully uploaded and then downloaded back onto a MD, it sounds identical to the original track. The problem is, roughly 1 out of 50 tracks gets trashed and if you cannot repeat that recording, then you have a problem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartan Posted September 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 It an upload gets screwed up, will Sonicstage let you know ??? or must everything be listened to to make sure everything is right ??? Do you also get a second chance to replace ruined uploads ??? If not, there should be a verify function in Sonicstage which will make sure everything adds up or retry uploading if it didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 In my case I knew because there was a track missing from everything I'd uploaded. It still appeared to be on the disc, and claimed to still be uploadable, but the data was trashed. It would start copying the track again and then give a "unspecified error" and quit. The track was no longer playable or uploadable at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobgoblin Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 now thats freaking hilarius. so basicly if you upload a song to a disc and it fails it not only trash that track, it trashes the contect of the disc (requireing a format) and trash the file on the computer that your trying to upload? score one for the coders in sony, in their own goal... seriusly, i do wonder what made a bug like that slip under their noses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 No, it only trashes the one track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobgoblin Posted September 6, 2004 Report Share Posted September 6, 2004 personaly thats one track to many if it not only trashes the one on the md but allso the one on the computers hd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted September 6, 2004 Report Share Posted September 6, 2004 Hopefully Sony will fix this problem. In certain cases [system or power failure during writes, etc.] it can be expected that people will lose data but it should not occur during simple operations that the units were specifically intended to be used for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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