Sparda Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 (edited) This is a 2 part question. I just assumed that the RH10 is as feature packed as the nh1 for some reason, but than after reading someother posts about other things i started to doubt if it is. Except for the timestamp ommission in the Rh10 and the rh10 being able to playback mp3, is the Rh10 as feature filled as the nh1? or is it just fancy looking. Question number 2 how come the rh10 isnt avaiable in stores yet like it happened to the nh1, if i wanted a rh10 i was told that i had to order one and put a down payment to make sure i was serious about buying one, but i don't like the idea of that. Is ther another way to obtain the rh10 in bc, canada? I would really appreciate any answers or opinions.Edit: sorry to cram so many questions in one post, but i really need to know because im planning to get a rh10, i have searched but i can't find out what material the rh10 is made out of. Hopefully not plastic, or atleast only half plastic. Thanks lots for any answers to these questions. Edited June 14, 2005 by Sparda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaotic Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Question number 2 how come the rh10 isnt avaiable in stores yet like it happened to the nh1, if i wanted a rh10 i was told that i had to order one and put a down payment to make sure i was serious about buying one, but i don't like the idea of that. Is ther another way to obtain the rh10 in bc, canada? I would really appreciate any answers or opinions.could it be demand > supply? probably your best bet is order online.anyhow, I went to Frys today. I saw that they carry a couple dh710s, and a single DH10, and plenty of 430s, but no rh910, and no rh10. I'm still wondering with the hefty price tag of DH10, who would buy it?oh and did any one get the deal on pink hd3 that was on Fry's ad? if they would not limit just the pink but any choice of color, I'd probably have a hd3 in my hand right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Principle differences from where I'm standing [a new RH10 owner, have had a NH700 since they came out in Canada]:NH1 - metal case; RH10 - plastic caseNH1 - has timestamping [only model that does]; RH10 - no timestampingNH1 - tiny LCD display; RH10 - big organic EL display [its biggest plus]NH1 - comes with 40ELK multi-line remote with record meters; RH10 [in North America] comes with displayless stick remoteNH1 - ridiculous cradle arrangment; RH10 - cradle for charging onlyNH1 - no dry cell [AA] support; RH10 - gumstick NiMH plus AA support [using screw-on caddy]Despite my gripes I'm very happy with my RH10 [JP model]. Even the crippled MP3 playback [which the NH1 doesn't have at all] isn't so bad. If you look in the HiMD forum you'll find my experiences so far. I look forward to recording with this unit.The lack of AA battery support [and the cost of its batteries] basically detracts from any pluses the NH1 has, IMO. The better remote can be purchased separately and works with all HiMD units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saicheong Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Compare as RH10 and NH1, it depend on your require :1. SoundCompare as NH1, RH10 only use the Normal Version of Digital Amp by New Japan Radio, and NH1 use the High Definded Digital Amp by Sony.As New Japan Radio Product also provide good PWM conv but this chip don't support Line Out, i can not listen different between NH1 and RH10 by using ER4P directly.2. Case, it a plastic case with metal support, the NH1 is metal.3. RH10 provide only Hi-MD mode record, you don't select record a normal MD disc by RH10 directly (You can record normal MD and Net-MD Mode by SS via computer)4. If you playback direct by mp3, this can provide better sound quality that NH1, but the mp3 playback is worst that ATRAC3Plus, so that normal use ATRAC3Plus. I thing Mp3 function is plus but not the main point of select MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skradgee Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 No timestamp??!!?.... ...... Having just found this out, I've gotta say that the lack of the timestamp in the RH10 is a damn shame. Here's another case of an advertised feature that Sony did not deliver. Shaaaame Sony So now, is this the case for all RH10s or are there any that actually do have the timestamp feature (Japanese vs. North American version)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob F1UK Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 NH1 - metal case; RH10 - plastic case←Just to point out that this is not entirely true. The RH10 actually has an aluminum lid/face... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushi Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Just to point out that this is not entirely true. The RH10 actually has an aluminum lid/face...Don't forget the little screws... they're metal too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Just to point out that this is not entirely true. The RH10 actually has an aluminum lid/face...←d'oh.Yes, aluminium which is covered with a clear plastic coating - which can get scratched and scuffed from as simple an act as putting it in your pocket [which happened today to mine, right in the middle of the display, the readibility of which isn't really hindered by this, but it's very annoying nonetheless]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted June 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Compare as RH10 and NH1, it depend on your require :1. SoundCompare as NH1, RH10 only use the Normal Version of Digital Amp by New Japan Radio, and NH1 use the High Definded Digital Amp by Sony.As New Japan Radio Product also provide good PWM conv but this chip don't support Line Out, i can not listen different between NH1 and RH10 by using ER4P directly.2. Case, it a plastic case with metal support, the NH1 is metal.3. RH10 provide only Hi-MD mode record, you don't select record a normal MD disc by RH10 directly (You can record normal MD and Net-MD Mode by SS via computer)4. If you playback direct by mp3, this can provide better sound quality that NH1, but the mp3 playback is worst that ATRAC3Plus, so that normal use ATRAC3Plus. I thing Mp3 function is plus but not the main point of select MD←Man i am more and more dissapointed in the mz-rh10, what is wrong with Sony. i was hoping to buy something that had it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beldurocher Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Don't forget the little screws... they're metal too. ←If they are anything like my 707 the screws will fall out anyway. Love my NH1 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted June 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Is it possible to hack the rh10 and make line out possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Unfortunately, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishiyoshi Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Is it possible to hack the rh10 and make line out possible ←It is plausible to say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Is it possible to hack the rh10 and make line out possible ←As measured 2 days ago and not yet posted, its headphone output with EQ disabled comes very close to 1V peak-to-peak, within 3dBV of line level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob F1UK Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Compare as RH10 and NH1, it depend on your require :1. SoundCompare as NH1, RH10 only use the Normal Version of Digital Amp by New Japan Radio, and NH1 use the High Definded Digital Amp by Sony.As New Japan Radio Product also provide good PWM conv but this chip don't support Line Out, i can not listen different between NH1 and RH10 by using ER4P directly.2. Case, it a plastic case with metal support, the NH1 is metal.←1. Actually, this is wrong. The Digital Amp on the RH10 is the same as the HD Amp on ther 1st Gen units. This was mentioned over at the T-Board and upon comparing the Digital Amp in my Rh10 with the HD Amp in my EH1, they are indeed the same, with the 6-presets...2. See the other posts in this thread regarding this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 1. Actually, this is wrong. The Digital Amp on the RH10 is the same as the HD Amp on ther 1st Gen units. This was mentioned over at the T-Board and upon comparing the Digital Amp in my Rh10 with the HD Amp in my EH1, they are indeed the same, with the 6-presets...←Can anyone else comment on this statement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwakrz Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 I own both the NH1 and RH10, to my ears they are NOT the same amp. It maybe the same chip but the other components are not the same quality.The NH1 is crystal clear, produces very nice sounds and is a pleasure to listen to.The RH10 has background noise, slight (as in just noticable) loss of clarity and, personally, is suitable only for my everyday use. (lots of features I use on the RH10 are not on the NH1)The above is very noticable if you like listening to things like classical music or jazz e.g. striking levels and breif periods of slience.I use the NH1 at home when relaxing and the RH10 when out, about and at work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted June 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Just when i got all excited about it having good quality sound, now its not. Can some one do a test to compare the sound quality between a nh1 and rh10? I don't have any equip or programs to do it. Help is always appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted June 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 (edited) Ok back to main topic. I searched but can not find accurate information on the mz-rh10 features. on some older threads i see ppl dissing the rh10 and saying the nh900 is actually better . i just need some hard evidence on the features it does have and difference between nh1. thanks in advance.Edit: don't wanna make another post, the main reason im all freaked out is because here http://minidisc.org/part_Sony_MZ-RH10.html comepared to this http://minidisc.org/part_Sony_MZ-NH1.html makes the rh10 look like an entry level hi-md, is the features part for the rh10 just not finished yet? or is that really all it has, i hope not. Edited June 16, 2005 by Sparda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny mac Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 While the RH10 and NH1 are quite different machines (in that many features are different rather than better either way) I would have to say there's no competition and the NH1 would have to win hands down. The classier look, smaller size, proper accessories (all regions) and made-in-Japan build quality along with the HD amp make it a winner despite it's few shortcomings. As for the amp, they can't be the same - if the 1st gen HD amp was the same as the 2nd gen regular amp why did Sony put the HD amp in the MZ-DH10P?The RH10 has it's uses (lovely screen and MP3 playback for those who want it) but it's not a true top-of-the-range recorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushi Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 There are certain things missing and things that you never use in every generation. Even in the pre-generation generation!!It depends on your usage. Decide what you will use it for and which has the required functions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJ_Palmer Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 The RH10 (or RH910) would still just about shade it for me over the NH1, espeially as I have the NH900 and all the best features if the 1st generation of Hi-MD. The RH10/910 wins principally becasue of battery issues - battery life and the ability to power it from an AA (attachment) or standard gumstick cell...EDit: Oh... just read the bit about the noisy RH10 amp... doesn't 'sound' too good for classical music then... Is that with or without the hack for EQ, I wonder... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 As for the amp, they can't be the same - if the 1st gen HD amp was the same as the 2nd gen regular amp why did Sony put the HD amp in the MZ-DH10P?←Excellent point, jonny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparda Posted June 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 (edited) I just noticed the rh10 also doesn't have a vpt acoustics engine. Is this because of the different amp/chip?Edit: i just found that out, that it does not have a vpt acoustics engine and it also does not have a HD Digital amp(whats the difference between hd and normal amp?) Edited June 17, 2005 by Sparda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 I just noticed the rh10 also doesn't have a vpt acoustics engine. Is this because of the different amp/chip?Edit: i just found that out, that it does not have a vpt acoustics engine and it also does not have a HD Digital amp(whats the difference between hd and normal amp?)←My RH10 [JP/world model] does not have the VPT acoustic engine [which I'm happy with not having, it's a useless feature to me]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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