Serial Copy Management System ?

[digmynewhorseshoes]

I'm looking to get into doing some live music recording. First off, I've been looking at the RH10, good choice for live recording?. Second, I read this in a review of the RH10:

"After recording couple of 1-2 minute clips in various modes (Hi-LP, Hi-SP, and PCM) I hooked up the unit to my computer and was greeted by a warning that I can transfer the tracks from my MD to my PC only once. This is provided courtesy of Serial Copy Management System. I am also assuming that if I had another computer at home, I would not be able to transfer the songs there either (after that initial transfer) but I don’t know that for sure. This copy protection only lets you copy from the original source (and you can't make further copy from the copies). I also noticed a counter that keeps track of how many times you transferred a song, play it, and so forth."

I would greatly appreciate it, if someone could clear this up for me. This seems to be the last deciding factor as to whether or not i go with the RH10, in addition to it's live music recording quality capabilities.

Thanks for reading, any help would be greatly appreciated.

Oh, one other thing: Would the RH10 be able to be connected directly to a soundboard in a venue?

[greenmachine]

Yes, there's a 'upload only once' restriction, but as soon as it's uploaded, you can convert/decompress it to pcm (*.wav) and are free to to with it whatever your heart desires.

A RH10 should be as good as any other Hi-MD unit regarding recording quality, they slightly differ in features, displays, optics, ergonomics though. As long as recording quality is your main priority, you can choose any of the with mic- and line-inputs equipped units.

You should be able to record from the soundboard with a suitable adapter through line-in.

[The Low Volta]

just read this thread (especially the first post) (don't worry, it's not only for burning gapless CD's) and follow the procedure exactly as described...and you will be uploading, mastering and distributing copies of your own recordings faster than you can say:

"Sony really needs to realize that DRM is only really bugging ppl who want to record music and not some teenagers that don't like to pay for overpriced CD's and go and copy stuff from their friends, as these "thieves" do not use (Hi)MD but belong to the iPuddle and actually just download everything anyway so they do not even need to copy from each other... so just give us the rights to our own recordings!... pretty please?"

yeah, the procedure takes a bit more time than simple drag-n-drop, but it is foolproof and HiMD sure records in HiQuality!

hope this helps,

[MDX-400]

"After recording couple of 1-2 minute clips in various modes (Hi-LP, Hi-SP, and PCM) I hooked up the unit to my computer and was greeted by a warning that I can transfer the tracks from my MD to my PC only once. This is provided courtesy of Serial Copy Management System.

I'm wondering is this actually an extension or revision to SCMS or is the reviewer just using "SCMS" as a catch-all/blame-all for the uploading restriction?

Because SCMS as I remember it would not make this restriction... SCMS allows unlimited 2nd generations to be made from the 1st generation (original) recording but copies of the 2nd generations are prohibited by SCMS.

Unless SCMS has been updated or revised it sounds like the problem is "courtesy of" some other copy management system which has been implemented in Hi-MD/SS...

[A440]

He was using SCMS loosely.

The tracks can be uploaded once to one computer. Then they are tagged on the disc as having been uploaded.

But the tracks in the computer can be converted to .wav and copied ad infinitum.

The tracks on the disc can also still be played back. And, if anything goes wrong, they can played back via USB with SonicStage and recorded digitally in realtime using Dex Otaku's TotalRecorder method.

The whole rigamarole is user-unfriendly and stupid on Sony's part. Home-recorded files should simply be unencrypted drag-and-drop. But it's not SCMS.

[genghisbunny]

I'm looking to get into doing some live music recording.  First off, I've been looking at the RH10, good choice for live recording?.  Second, I read this in a review of the RH10:

"After recording couple of 1-2 minute clips in various modes (Hi-LP, Hi-SP, and PCM) I hooked up the unit to my computer and was greeted by a warning that I can transfer the tracks from my MD to my PC only once. This is provided courtesy of Serial Copy Management System. I am also assuming that if I had another computer at home, I would not be able to transfer the songs there either (after that initial transfer) but I don’t know that for sure. This copy protection only lets you copy from the original source (and you can't make further copy from the copies). I also noticed a counter that keeps track of how many times you transferred a song, play it, and so forth."

I would greatly appreciate it, if someone could clear this up for me.  This seems to be the last deciding factor as to whether or not i go with the RH10, in addition to it's live music recording quality capabilities.

Thanks for reading, any help would be greatly appreciated.

Oh, one other thing:  Would the RH10 be able to be connected directly to a soundboard in a venue?

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UPDATE: The new version of Sonicstage gets rid of this STUPID, WORTHLESS restriction which annoys the majority of MD users who use it (as I do) for live recordings. My brand new RH10 comes in from the US with my parents in about 2 weeks.

The Australian market is hated by Sony, so they don't give us the new toys, and overcharge us for the old ones. (last-gen HI-MD recorders cost AUD $500-$700. I'm getting the new top of the line unit from the US for AUD$300 after currency conversion) So glad I have parents who travel to the real world from time to time.

Makes living in this great country ok after all.