Avrin Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 (edited) Turns out, the Hi-MD standard does support Russian. Today I had some successful experiments, after having read some info in a Russian MD forum, that one participant's RH10 sometimes displayed Russian properly, but this person was unable to reproduce this. Here is the description of my results.Operating system: Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional English (!), with Service Pack 4, and all currently available updates.Software: Sonic Stage 4.0.00.05080 with no tweaks whatsoever.SonicStage used to give me trouble when importing MP3s with Russian names. Turned out that is was due to the locale of my OS being set to "English (United States)" (I mainly use English-language software, so I set it this way).Now the fun begins. I changed this setting (Control Panel->Regional Options->General->Your locale (location)) to "Russian". The parameter below (Language settings for the system) was already set to "Cyrillic (default)", as required to support Russian. After that SonicStage ceased to give me any problems with Russian names and tags.But transferring Russian-named tracks to the RH10 was still of no avail. The tracks transferred, and played, but showed dots instead of Russian letters. This turned out to be due to the fact that the destination code in the unit was set to North America (20). After changing this code to Asia (24), the unit became able to transfer Russian tracks, and display their names correctly. The letters are quite rough, and are spaced quite a bit (as if they were the size of kanji). Some people here in Russia may remember this kind of font from quite a few years ago, when the Japanese just started printing Russian manuals for their equipment. But still, everything is perfectly readable (even the letter 'yo' is displayed properly).Tried this in ATRAC3plus and MP3. Works as a treat. Unfortunately, does not work in the MD mode (Hi-MD only).So, it turns out that Hi-MD units are actually Unicode, while SonicStage is not.I guess that support for other "officially unsupported" languages may also be obtained with relevant operating system settings.One word of caution though. Sometimes tracks do transfer, but their names are completely garbled. This happens quite randomly, the exact reason is unknown (SS glitch?), but it seems somehow related to renaming tracks in SonicStage, and switching keyboard layouts. But either all tracks transfer OK, or none (no intra-album problems). And, if a track transferred garbled, it will always do so. You'll have to try renaming it, and the album. Or reimporting it.Try this on your units and languages!P.S. Now I really love Hi-MD!!! Edited October 27, 2006 by Avrin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riotshield Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Turns out, the Hi-MD standard does support Russian. Today I had some successful experiments, after having read some info in a Russian MD forum, that one participant's RH10 sometimes displayed Russian properly, but this person was unable to reproduce this. Here is the description of my results.Operating system: Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional English (!), with Service Pack 4, and all currently available updates.Software: Sonic Stage 4.0.00.05080 with no tweaks whatsoever.SonicStage used to give me trouble when importing MP3s with Russian names. Turned out that is was due to the locale of my OS being set to "English (United States)" (I mainly use English-language software, so I set it this way).Now the fun begins. I changed this setting (Control Panel->Regional Options->General->Your locale (location)) to "Russian". The parameter below (Language settings for the system) was already set to "Cyrillic (default)", as required to support Russian. After that SonicStage ceased to give me any problems with Russian names and tags.But transferring Russian-named tracks to the RH10 was still of no avail. The tracks transferred, and played, but showed dots instead of Russian letters. This turned out to be due to the fact that the destination code in the unit was set to North America (20). After changing this code to Asia (24), the unit became able to transfer Russian tracks, and display their names correctly. The letters are quite rough, and are spaced quite a bit (as if they were the size of kanji). Some people here in Russia may remember this kind of font from quite a few years ago, when the Japanese just started printing Russian manuals for their equipment. But still, everything is perfectly readable (even the letter 'yo' is displayed properly).Tried this in ATRAC3plus and MP3. Works as a treat. Unfortunately, does not work in the MD mode (Hi-MD only).So, it turns out that Hi-MD units are actually Unicode, while SonicStage is not.I guess that support for other "officially unsupported" languages may also be obtained with relevant operating system settings.One word of caution though. Sometimes tracks do transfer, but their names are completely garbled. This happens quite randomly, the exact reason is unknown (SS glitch?), but it seems somehow related to renaming tracks in SonicStage, and switching keyboard layouts. But either all tracks transfer OK, or none (no intra-album problems). And, if a track transferred garbled, it will always do so. You'll have to try renaming it, and the album. Or reimporting it.Try this on your units and languages!P.S. Now I really love Hi-MD!!!how do you change the destination code? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atikin Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 ...This turned out to be due to the fact that the destination code in the unit was set to North America (20). After changing this code to Asia (24), the unit became able to transfer Russian tracks, and display their names correctly. ...Privet!Hey there! Sounds wonderful. Where this destination code can be changed? On the unit? In service mode? I just try this on my Mac... No luck! HiMDMusicTransfer20 doesn't accept Russian characters. And I have no PC. But I would try it on my friend's PC.Nikita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avrin Posted October 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 (edited) Here' s the description of changing the destination code to 24 for RH910 and RH10: http://forums.minidisc.org/index.php?showt...=9752&st=15On a Mac, you may try tweaking regional or compatibility settings (I have no idea how). Edited October 28, 2006 by Avrin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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riotshield Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 (edited) eventhough the greek songs display correctly in SS4.0 and destnation is set to 24 they dont display on the RH-10. can you send a sample mp3 with russian name on the ID3 tag to test if it can be displayed?thanksEDIT: I installed the cyrillic fonts and they displayed fine in SS but no on the rh-10 eventhough its set to 24.strange... Edited October 28, 2006 by riotshield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avrin Posted October 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 (edited) Unfortunately, I don't know Greek, and don't have Greek support on my PC. But I know for sure, that even 15 year-old Japanese word-processors (like CASIOWORD HW-6000V - just checked its manual) have support for both Greek and Russian (and Greek comes before Russian in the character set table). This was years before Unicode. So the Hi-MD must also support Greek. Try tweaking your Regional Settings further.As for a Russian sample - I have no idea where to get a Russian song in MP3 legally, AND with Russian tags. You may try renaming any track using Cyrillic character set (use the Character Map, if you don't have a Russian keyboard). Then just check that the titles are the same on the PC, and on the Hi-MD. Don't forget to enable support for Russian in your Regional settings. Edited October 28, 2006 by Avrin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riotshield Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Unfortunately, I don't know Greek, and don't have Greek support on my PC. But I know for sure, that even 15 year-old Japanese word-processors (like CASIOWORD HW-6000V - just checked its manual) have support for both Greek and Russian (and Greek comes before Russian in the character set table). This was years before Unicode. So the Hi-MD must also support Greek. Try tweaking your Regional Settings further.As for a Russian sample - I have no idea where to get a Russian song in MP3 legally, AND with Russian tags. You may try renaming any track using Cyrillic character set (use the Character Map, if you don't have a Russian keyboard). Then just check that the titles are the same on the PC, and on the Hi-MD. Don't forget to enable support for Russian in your Regional settings.i've tried any language setting and the characters display fine in SS, but even with alternate destination codes besides 24 the russian characters don't display in RH10. it used to show ????? but after some tweaking it now shows northern characters like äçðöø. strange... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avrin Posted October 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 (edited) The "äçðöø" actually looks promising. Try tweaking further. I still get "äçðöø"-like stuff sometimes, but mostly Russian names transfer OK.At least the "?????" is no longer...SONY!!! Do you have any conscience? You've again made a standard, which is better than you could've ever imagined. Is it going the way your previous excellent stadards went? Edited October 29, 2006 by Avrin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAlex Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 The "äçðöø" actually looks promising. Try tweaking further. I still get "äçðöø"-like stuff sometimes, but mostly Russian names transfer OK.At least the "?????" is no longer...SONY!!! Do you have any conscience? You've again made a standard, which is better than you could've ever imagined. Is it going the way your previous excellent stadards went?I also get "äçðöø"-like stuff all the time. Can you write, which regional settings are in your computer? Like location,language for non-Unicode programs, advanced settings and so on...Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avrin Posted January 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 All settings are described in the first message of this thread. No advanced settings were changed. Try experimenting by starting SS before or after connecting the player, switching keyboard layouts, etc. The technique itself is not 100% reliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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