minidiscovery Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 (edited) Hi allthis is my first attempt at initiating a post on this particular forum (so thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide). My topic relates to the latest and by all accounts greatest minidisc ever - the MZRH1. Firslty let me point out that I have an IMAC computer - the one with the dual core processor - so I can run osx or xp. So my first question is - do experienced mzrh1 users prefer to use their device with the apple os or with Sony SS via Windows?On a similar theme - does the mzrh1 work equally well on both platforms and does it (for data storage purposes) appear as an external drive on both Mac and Windows?Last little question. I have heard some people doubt the capability of minidiscs when it comes to data storage. Yet I thought they were hardy little beasts and that data recorded on them was likely to be there just about forever all things being equal. So I'm wondering if mzrh1 users out there have strong opinions either way on whether or not it's a good idea to use the minidisc as an archive tool. And while we are on the subject - I know I can put audio and data on the minidisc - but what about photographs and video? Would the quality be maintained when loaded to the minidisc? Sorry if these questions are annoying to those who are experienced in the md format and have probably heard them all before. Edited March 31, 2007 by minidiscovery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A440 Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 SonicStage (the Windows software) is the more mature program and has more capabilities--including one you probably don't need, uploading material in older minidisc formats. As long as you have XP available on your Imac, you should just try both the Mac and PC software and see which you prefer.You can put any data on the disc that it will hold, just like a hard drive. Bits are bits.The problem for minidiscs as archive is not the disc. It's that you need the unit to read them. The units will eventually wear out, and if Sony has given up on the format and stops manufacturing new MD units, eventually you will have discs full of data you can't access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strungup Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 (edited) Hi allthis is my first attempt at initiating a post on this particular forum (so thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide). My topic relates to the latest and by all accounts greatest minidisc ever - the MZRH1. Firslty let me point out that I have an IMAC computer - the one with the dual core processor - so I can run osx or xp. So my first question is - do experienced mzrh1 users prefer to use their device with the apple os or with Sony SS via Windows?On a similar theme - does the mzrh1 work equally well on both platforms and does it (for data storage purposes) appear as an external drive on both Mac and Windows?Last little question. I have heard some people doubt the capability of minidiscs when it comes to data storage. Yet I thought they were hardy little beasts and that data recorded on them was likely to be there just about forever all things being equal. So I'm wondering if mzrh1 users out there have strong opinions either way on whether or not it's a good idea to use the minidisc as an archive tool. And while we are on the subject - I know I can put audio and data on the minidisc - but what about photographs and video? Would the quality be maintained when loaded to the minidisc? Sorry if these questions are annoying to those who are experienced in the md format and have probably heard them all before. I own a Macbook , have Parrallels and XP , but I keep the MD on the Mac side , the simplicity of just getting clean audio into the computer and it being a standard wave file to work with in ANY editor is cool by me. Anything the comes in (Transfered to the comp) is automatically a wave file No worry's bout bit rates conversions or whatever , plus the SS is a little Proccessor intensive , but on the Imac it might not matter , thats a fast bird . As that it is recognized as a Harddrive on the Mac , you can drag and drop files onto it , they will just be ignored by the RH1 and take up disk space, These ARE Magneto Optical Drives ( the discs) think small MO drives , Archive away just make sure you have and extra RH1 or regognizable to read the disks on the comp . No Scratches, No Magnetic depletion (erasure) RFI resilient, SMALL , Permanent retention of contents . Anyone who badmouths MD as an archive format needs help , professional psychological help. It is just the concern of making sure you have a machine to read what has been written , at the point when you need it . I have seen somewhere on the net where someone was trying to build a drive bayMD unit , will have to look for that again .found one but its MD Data http://www.call-telcor.com/index.php?targe...;product_id=154 Edited March 31, 2007 by Guitarfxr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minidiscovery Posted March 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 thanks to everyone for their input - extremely helpful. Certainly clears things up for me. So it seems the only thing we have to fear is Sony pulling the plug on making md units - which would be pretty poor form wouldn't it? Ah, it'll never happen. Anyway I was pleased to hear from Guitarfxr that the mzrh1 works well on the mac platform - that mo seems fine to me too. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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garg1 Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 I wouldn't say MZRH1 works 'well' with the Mac - you still can't upload legacy MDs and the Sony software for the Mac is crude to say the least. I've been uploading legacy MDs to my gf's PC laptop and then transferring them to my Macbook - clumsy and slow, but it was working til her CD burner gave up... I have a MD deck as well as an MZRH1. Anyone know how to upload via the optical toslink from the deck to the Macbook? I guess Garageband will do it, but it'll be just as slow and laborious. Is there software out there that'll pick up the digital input and sort it into songs??!!Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A440 Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 The optical connection from the deck is going to be realtime, no way around it. CD Wave will make suggestions, usually pretty good ones, for splitting the realtime recordings into trackshttp://www.milosoftware.com/cdwave/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strungup Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) I wouldn't say MZRH1 works 'well' with the Mac - you still can't upload legacy MDs and the Sony software for the Mac is crude to say the least. I've been uploading legacy MDs to my gf's PC laptop and then transferring them to my Macbook - clumsy and slow, but it was working til her CD burner gave up... I have a MD deck as well as an MZRH1. Anyone know how to upload via the optical toslink from the deck to the Macbook? I guess Garageband will do it, but it'll be just as slow and laborious. Is there software out there that'll pick up the digital input and sort it into songs??!!GregGreg , The RH1 loads what it records to Mac VERY well , It doesnt have to load the stuff you did on yesteryearsmachines, you come here bashing istead of thinking , (i am refering to you OTHER post) Your definition of "CRUDE" is based on being spoiled with your iPod /iTunes connection /interaction. That has Nothing to do with MD .MD is a Different Animal , with a Different PURPOSE , You dont hook a 500 dollar set of Microphones to your %#$#$# IPOD!!!!!! MD is about Recording, iPod is about fashion, change the subject and stick with the one that is here. And since your on a Macbook get parrallels or BootCamp and put XP on so you dont have to use your freinds Comp Stick a usb CDrw drive on so you dont destroy the Macs internal DVD drive. Then Make a differentiation Between MD and what it is for , and your iPod. Edited April 6, 2007 by Guitarfxr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minidiscoveryagain Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 This gets more interesting the more I read. Can I ask Guitarfxr in relation to your comment about installing an external cdrw drive on a mac - are you saying that using the Mac DVD drive for music is damaging to it or are you saying that it is just wasted being used for anything other than dvd? Hope this is not a silly question - it's just that I have an Imac and wouldn't want to be doing anything detrimental to it. Not that i've used a tenth of its potential so far.By the way I loaded xp onto the imac using boot camp. Partitioning was an absolute breeze using boot camp - but I still held my breath while waiting for that windows logo to come up when I loaded xp. Haven't used xp on the mac yet - well you wouldn't unless you HAD to would you? But I will once I get around to loading SS. I'm thinking that as my drive is partitioned boot camp style I will be able to upload legacy mds via SS and simply drag and drop them to the mac side of things. Thanks for all the info by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strungup Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 (edited) This gets more interesting the more I read. Can I ask Guitarfxr in relation to your comment about installing an external cdrw drive on a mac - are you saying that using the Mac DVD drive for music is damaging to it or are you saying that it is just wasted being used for anything other than dvd? Hope this is not a silly question - it's just that I have an Imac and wouldn't want to be doing anything detrimental to it. Not that i've used a tenth of its potential so far.By the way I loaded xp onto the imac using boot camp. Partitioning was an absolute breeze using boot camp - but I still held my breath while waiting for that windows logo to come up when I loaded xp. Haven't used xp on the mac yet - well you wouldn't unless you HAD to would you? But I will once I get around to loading SS. I'm thinking that as my drive is partitioned boot camp style I will be able to upload legacy mds via SS and simply drag and drop them to the mac side of things. Thanks for all the info by the way.No prob , my reference was so that you dont wear out the internal drive playing music. If you wear out the external drive you dont have to send in your mac for repair, just go to the pawn shop , or something like that and buy a new CDRW, I personally dont even bother with SS , I use my RH1 for getting the current stuff ,or what I record on it into the Mac , and MD transfer is simple , uncluttered , and doesnt take over your system , your files go straight to the desktop , then you drag em to whatever folder you want , rather than iTunes creating its own doubled up library and wasting disk space. The ONLY reason iTunes is on my machine is the Radio feature, that is it . I download podcasts directly from the issueing sites not iTunes. I am an Audio Engineer and a Crafstman ,so any intelligent question deserves the same in respect as an answer. What Greg did was come on here trying to compare iPod with MD , in a topic that was strictly about How to get the MD to cooperate with the mac, not about the diffences or preference of iPod over MD . I own a Mac , but I do not own or want an iPod . I would rather have the Korg MR1 , when iPod can do THIS Ill buy it,.. http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?a_prod_n...p;category_id=3 Edited April 7, 2007 by Guitarfxr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A440 Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 I would rather have the Korg MR1Once again, we're on the way to the ultimate handheld recorder. Obviously this baby is going to give you considerably better fidelity than MD. And for $700, it should. My reservations, besides the $700: It's a hard drive, with moving parts. Not the most sturdy hardware. I'd prefer flash with a big built-in memory plus removable 4GB mini cards, or stick to my removable MDs. And the battery is a built-in rechargeable--one dumb thing it has in common with an iPod. From a user review: "The drawbacks - THE MAJOR one is the built in battery that cannot be swapped out - you must charge the unit with an AC. I got about 2 and a quarter hours at full quality."Also, unbelievably, no on-the-fly level control:"Input volume control is through software, so you have to go 2 screens in, select one channel, adjust it and hit enter, select the other channel, adjust it and hit enter, and then come back out again. This is not elegant, making it difficult in critical applications that also require speed in adjusting levels." I want my MD-style track marking, too. Meanwhile, guitarfxr, come on and chill out. Greg didn't even mention iPod in this thread--you did. All he did was point out, correctly, that the Mac software doesn't do as much as SonicStage. Not to pick on you, but the whole iPod-vs.-Minidisc comparison has been discussed to death here for years despite the fact that it's completely irrelevant--iPod won as a music player, Sony finally concentrated on recording, game over. Also irrelevant is iPod vs. Korg, since all they have in common is rechargeable batteries and rectangular shape. How about iPod vs. fruit juice in a box? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strungup Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 (edited) Its 549 . at ishibashi music and in his first post he bashed MD over iPod In another Mac based post He continued the same question here . There is a new guy asking Why songs are greyed out in MD Transfer , and several people were helping him ,itwas turning into a good conversation, then Greg showed up bashing MD " Md is in a different Century compared to iTunes /iPod functionallity" his comment had absolutely NOTHINg to do with the kids question. http://forums.minidisc.org/index.php?showtopic=18872 I think he was 4-5 posts downThat is what I was pointing out to him was that the iPod thing is not needed. I added the Korg to emphasize that the iPod is an over rated fashion accessory with the only purpose of being identified with a particular genre . The plethora of players available, with way more features ..... you know what I mean , sorry I had to rant on the guy . Did you read the other topic?and I agree bout the Korg , non functional ...ummmm just like an iPod !!!!!!!!!! Edited April 7, 2007 by Guitarfxr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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