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Hi everybody!

I was searching for another HI-MD unit, but I want it was one that works with normal rechargeable alkaline AA batteries.

I have found a NH700 in very good condition and a good price. I have searched the equipment browser in minidisc.org and found that NH700 supports Rechargeable NiMH AA formfactor battery (NH-7WMAA) , but I don't if it's compatible with normal rechargeable AA batteries or it needs special ones :s

On the other hand... is it NH700 a good choose? I have browsed the forum and in general it seems there are no special problems with it, but I would like to know more data about (hey, I said "good price" not free :P). I want this unit as an replacement for my two HI-MD units: my nh600, that's my all purpose unit found my RH10, my jewell :)

I have also found a fantastic second RH10 to buy, but lately has grown in me the fear that batteries in units like that stop in production, and the time comes when I can find a new one (I mean, not next year or so, but a few years).

Is this a silly thought? Must I buy the RH10 instead NH700? I think they are different levels units, and I really love my RH10 (for me is the better MD unit, given I don't need the special features RH1 has), but my fear of having no batteries to feed high level units as the RH10 could drive me to a lower unit that supports regular batteries.

I hope your wisdomcould help me :).

Thanks a lot in advance.

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I love the NH700. Easy to disassemble, too :) Standard Energizer (or other) rechargeable batteries work just fine. It has microphone input, and a reasonable screen. It is also the only HiMD model to accept the radio (intended for the NHF800 or NF610/810).

There are a lot of problems with gumstick batteries but IMO most of the problems are related not to the batteries themselves but to the contacts in the machine you plug them into.

I just saw an NH700 go for 20 pounds on UK Ebay. Amazing!

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Hi sfbp! Thanks for your of quick answer.

I'm glad to see that NH700 is a good choice and it supports standard batteries :D I just hope not having to disassembled mine :)

I have asked the seller some more photos to confirm the unit is ok, and I'll go for it.

Just hope my RH10 last long so I have not to blame myself (Murphy's law, please don't act here :P)

I'm interested on what you've said about radio. Which remote must I search for?

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Don't forget that the NH600/NH700/NHF800 family has a great analogue output amplifier (TOSHIBA TA2131FLG), and, as such, will always sound better than all the fashionable digital-amp units, including the RH10. And VPT and SpeedControl may be enabled on the NH700, but not on the RH10. Again, the NH700 records in all possible modes out of the box.

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Yes, I do prefer the sound of the NH600 connected to the Technics SU-C1000/SE-A1000/SB-M1000 system. But the NH3D also sounds great (a Japanese unit made for the Japanese market always means something).

What a pity SONY decided to disable Line Out in the NH600/NH700/NHF800 family. The pin of the amplifier chip, that is supposed to control the output mode, is permanently connected to ground (which means Headphone mode).

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Well, actually the battery is long dead, but this doesn't affect quality, since the power supply in my apartment is quite noiseless. And yes, the Technics SL-7 linear turntable sounds wonderfully through the system (although right now it needs a stylus drive belt replacement).

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Yeah, the SL-7 is automatic. It is even able to play when turned upside down. The only thing it lacks is Auto Track Search present in later models. But the chassis of the SL-7 is the best of all linear Technics models.

But the SL-1200 is the best model currently available.

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Thanks!

The Auto Search operates quite simply - the tonearm is equipped with an infrared LED/sensor pair to detect LP "trackmarks", which have higher reflectivity, compared to tracks themselves. If an LP has no "trackmarks", Auto Search doesn't work. I once had a linear DENON with this function.

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Uauh, mi post has became something totally different from the beggining :D Too much technic for me :P

I want to say to you that... I have won the NH700 in ebay!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D It comes as new, with all the accesories, even a small messegner bag and two HIMD!!!! Sadly, my job is in another city, so I can't see it till friday. I'm so anxious :s

So, is the analogue amp so much better than the digital one? I have a nh600, but since I use it always outside, as the streetwarrior MD, I never compared its sound directly with RH10'sound, although I have always feel the nh600 sounds very well given the cheap aspect it has. I have to do the comparation this weekend.

Also, I can't find the remote with radio. Anyone knows where to find it, please?.

PD: Have I said I'm very anxious to see my new HIMD? :P

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Uauh, mi post has became something totally different from the beggining :D Too much technic for me :P

I want to say to you that... I have won the NH700 in ebay!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D It comes as new, with all the accesories, even a small messegner bag and two HIMD!!!! Sadly, my job is in another city, so I can't see it till friday. I'm so anxious :s

So, is the analogue amp so much better than the digital one? I have a nh600, but since I use it always outside, as the streetwarrior MD, I never compared its sound directly with RH10'sound, although I have always feel the nh600 sounds very well given the cheap aspect it has. I have to do the comparation this weekend.

Also, I can't find the remote with radio. Anyone knows where to find it, please?.

PD: Have I said I'm very anxious to see my new HIMD? :P

Hi Talisin

PM me, I have a couple of remotes

You will like the 700

Bob

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Hi Avrin. Thanks for your explanation. Since I have always my n710 (my first MD machine :D ) connected to the HIFI equipment, I have never tried the nh600 (nor RH10) in that situation. I have to give it a try this weekend :D.

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I don't know about the N710, but both the NF610 and the NF810 have the TOSHIBA TA2131FL analogue amp.

A practical advice for connecting the RH10 to a HiFi: disable all effects (EQ, etc.) in the unit, and set its output level to 29/30 - this will give you maximum quality (setting the level to 30/30 leads to a serious increase in noise and distortion, while setting it below 29/30 only decreases the volume). But when connecting an analogue amp unit to a HiFi, set the level to 30/30 (or switch the unit to the LINE OUT mode, if available), since the amp has an ample output level reserve.

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Mmmm. That's interesting. But, if I disable effects in RH10, can I enable effects (EQ. and the more) in the HIFI, or must I play without any effect?. And about volume, that 29/30 is for all models of RH10 (I mean, european, japanese, etc)?. Cause mine is a japanese one. Does this change anything? :S

About the N710, I don't find if it has that amp. I'm going to search for the service manual and read it.

But one question about that volume levels in both MD: I set them in 29/30 or 30/30 (each for one of them) but I can set the HIFI volume in level I want, can't I? Cause I'm too much sensitive about high volumes (you can see, at night, I set my MD at 1/30, and even so I find it very high) and I don't know if at lower volume levels sound isn't going to be good (Well, till now I haven't found any problem, but I don't know that about MD amp :S).

Also, this is only for HIFI connected MD or also for earphones?

Glups, so many years with MD and learning new things everyday :D

PD: Now I have my NH700 and feels fantastic. If I can find some free time (too many exams to correct), I'm going to take some photos and a minireview :)

I don't know about the N710, but both the NF610 and the NF810 have the TOSHIBA TA2131FL analogue amp.

A practical advice for connecting the RH10 to a HiFi: disable all effects (EQ, etc.) in the unit, and set its output level to 29/30 - this will give you maximum quality (setting the level to 30/30 leads to a serious increase in noise and distortion, while setting it below 29/30 only decreases the volume). But when connecting an analogue amp unit to a HiFi, set the level to 30/30 (or switch the unit to the LINE OUT mode, if available), since the amp has an ample output level reserve.

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The suggested settings on your MD unit is to achieve the cleanest signal from the headphone output, as near to a 'proper' line-out signal as possible, and use your Hi-Fi's amplifier to play through its speakers. So you can set your Hi-Fi's equaliser and volumes as you would normally, just not on the MD unit itself. When playing the MD's portably through headphones, ie. not attached to your Hi-Fi, you can of course use its own equalisers and volume settings to suit your taste.

It's all because these particular MD units don't have a line-out mode. Others do, like the NH900 and RH1, and you would use that setting when connecting to a Hi-Fi.

Hope that helps.

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But, if I disable effects in RH10, can I enable effects (EQ. and the more) in the HIFI, or must I play without any effect?

You can set whatever mode you like on your Hi-FI. Disabling effects and setting the level to 29/30 on the RH10 itself provides the best input signal to the Hi-Fi, where it can be processed in any way. I personally prefer flat unprocessed signal, while many people like various effects provided by equalizers and amplifiers.

And the 29/30 level applies to any make of any SONY model with a digital amp and no line out.

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Sorry to all. My connection was out during some days (again...) so I couldn't post.

Ok, now I understand it. So I'll set some values for earphones and set to "nothing" for HIFI :) It's simple :)

But one thing is dancing inside my mind. The line-out mode in NH900 and RH1 is a hardware thing or a software one?Is there any way to "unblock" it in other units (I'm not referring only to RH10 or NH700, but any unit, even netMD). Just curious. :)

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