Breaking News: NEW Sony Walkman is born!

[sxc_]

Do we know anything about the new Connect player yet, besides those pictures?  I want to be able to create playlists on my computer to playback on those portables...

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The existence of star-ratings on the Connect screenshot would imply to me that the Connect player is going to be very Windows Media Player-like and will have auto playlists. I think this is the way that the new devices will be able to have their "smart shuffles".

[Mojoooo0]

hmmm, any reason why the limited edition versions of the new hd's are cheaper then the regular versions? I was hoping to get a black version of the 3000 but if its cheaper then i guess most people would go for that unless theres stuff missing. (like the remote or something)

[Ishiyoshi]

hmmm, any reason why the limited edition versions of the new hd's are cheaper then the regular versions? I was hoping to get a black version of the 3000 but if its cheaper then i guess most people would go for that unless theres stuff missing. (like the remote or something)

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Welcome to ALC!

Just to clarify, the limited edition NW-A3000/1000/600 series are identical (*other than having different color scheme) to its regular equivalent; no deviation whatsoever.

The reason why the limited editions are somewhat cheaper than its regular equivalent is because they are only available in limited quantities to members of MySony Japan. In addition, members of MySony Japan will have to enter a lottery so to speak that runs from September 8, 2005 to October 17, 2005, in which a set of selected members will get to purchase the limited edition NW-A3000/1000/600 at the published rate by SonyStyle Japan.

[bogon07]

Ohh

MySony in Japan actually does something for its members unlike MySony Aust.

[tekdroid]

Finally!! It's here - the much rumored Sony's new Network Walkman devices is due this 4th quarter ~ November 19, 2005.

just a comment on the bling design...

It's as if Sony purposefully did some market research & discovered that people just can't get enough of scratches and visible fingerprints, and designed the units in accordances with their wishes.

The roundness of both bases with no flat surface or feet says to me "uh oh, scratch time" whenever you lay the unit down on your desk or any flat surface without a protective jacket. The transparentish shiny rounded surfaces are just gonna get scratched to hell. If they're left in the sun I can see some just melting.

Honestly, I'll never understand some design choices. Gloss surfaces? Scratchy transparentish plastic 'overlays'?

I'd be happy to be corrected on the scratches, but come November, I think we're gonna be hearing stories. From some of the other photos we can see the fingerprint situation is a standout feature of the oh-so-hip gloss surfaces.

[sonyslave]

I've had a NW-407 flash player since they came out here in June, which looks as if it has the same or similar finish. Yes its a finger print magnet, I'm forever cleaning it with various cloths t-shirts etc. with no sign of scratching at all.

It also lives round my neck when in use, and has survived numerous knocks including getting wrapped around a pole on a bus, and no scraches. The finish is much tougher than it looks.

Let's hope they use the same finish with A3000/1000/600!

[spex]

Let's hope they use the same finish with A3000/1000/600!

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It looked and felt the same to me.

[Christopher]

If they made the devices scratch-proof, no one would buy a protective case! Welcome to the world of business.

I agree though, they should material that is resilient to such woes; it truly ruins the aesthetic appeal.

[bockers]

Do the new units take the standard MD and NWHDx remotes. Otherwise the new sony car adapter I have bought looks like an expensive mistake?

JOhn

[Ishiyoshi]

Do the new units take the standard MD and NWHDx remotes.  Otherwise the new sony car adapter I have bought looks like an expensive mistake?

JOhn

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There's a good possibility that one can utilize existing MD remotes such as the RM-MC35ELx and RM-MC40ELK with the new network walkman; note: the new *RM-NWS1’s remote plug is identical to the aforementioned remotes.

*The remote for NW-A3000 and NW-A1000.

[pata2001]

Hopefully Sony does not cripple the new units, ala some of the PCDP models, where LCD remotes work, but no display.

[iyareu]

Whilst I love the new design of the machines I am a bit miffed that they couldn't come up with something that

1. is smaller.

2. has a colour display

3. is real competition for the ipod.

Some may say we should stop talking about the ipod but this is a market and we cannot ignore that apple have something like 80% market share in a business they have been in for only 5 years. Especially when Sony almost invented the market in the first place.

There are lessons to be learned.

The ipod mini is so popular it makes us all sick but Sony produce nothing that will upset that.

The same month that Sony release the new machines - apple produces the ipod nano which is

1. smaller than the mini by 50%

2. Has a colour screen

3. can share ipod accessories (except remote controls as it doesn't have the same interface for remotes).

4. Can store & display pictures.

5. Has great software support in iTunes.

6. and like the press release says is 'impossibly small' and still has 4GB.

I am looking forward to the new connect player - I hope that the changes are not just superficial (although superficial would be good too) but that they affect things like

1. speed

2. clumsiness

3. resources used

4. how many times it causes PC's to hang or freeze

5. Actual intelligent synchronisation - not just copying.

5. general ease of use.

iTunes is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination and has many limitations but is hands down better that Sonicstage. More than that - when apple have made changes to it - they have been better and more practical than the changes made to Sonicstage.

iTunes is very appealing as it has many of the things you look for in a music player.

As I have said many times before, Sony have it sown up when it comes to the actual hardware - there is nothing as good as the HD5 out there in terms of just playing music and the sound quality of that music (so say CET) BUT these devices do not live in bubbles. They have to integrate into our lives rather than our lives having to change around them.

I remember when the walkman first came out - what a bombshell.

I remember when minidisc came on the scene - incredible - recording in digital quality and so small!!

Creative came out with an mp3 player way before the ipod. How come the creative player didn't rock the world? The ipod changed things and changed the way people thought about their music, their music collections and how they listened to their music.

Now the walkman brand (which I thing is much more memorable and 'fit for purpose' than 'ipod') is lending itself to phones which is great and has caused much excitement.

I hope that the next incarnation of walkman (what a brand!!!) is something I can be genuinely proud of, knowing Sony have pushed the boat out - not just nudged it a little.

[Beethovenian]

Totally agree, Iyareu. To beat Apple, Sony has to lead, not to catch up. They have to come up with a player that goes ahead in terms of features and design. It has to be as small as it's possible (or impossible, to use Apple's term), it has to have color screen, preferably in higher resolution than the iPod's, it has to wow. I think the best thing Sony could do is try to make the Walkman talk with the PSP. Make a video Walkman (before Apple launches its video iPod) that will show music clips and that will be able to use videos formatted for the PSP. Let the Walkman connect wirelessly with the PSP (even if that requires using an optional accessory) and stream music or video, as well as transfer photos. And, following that same line, let one Walkman owner wirelessly stream music to another Walkman owner. Not that I want video support or think it's important to share music with others, but I think these thing would create a lot of buzz, something that the new line of Walkman won't, in my opinion.

[Rumz]

Totally agree, Iyareu. To beat Apple, Sony has to lead, not to catch up. They have to come up with a player that goes ahead in terms of features and design. It has to be as small as it's possible (or impossible, to use Apple's term), it has to have color screen, preferably in higher resolution than the iPod's, it has to wow. I think the best thing Sony could do is try to make the Walkman talk with the PSP. Make a video Walkman (before Apple launches its video iPod) that will show music clips and that will be able to use videos formatted for the PSP. Let the Walkman connect wirelessly with the PSP (even if that requires using an optional accessory) and stream music or video, as well as transfer photos. And, following that same line, let one Walkman owner wirelessly stream music to another Walkman owner. Not that I want video support or think it's important to share music with others, but I think these thing would create a lot of buzz, something that the new line of Walkman won't, in my opinion.

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That would be seriously cool if they made the walkman so it could interface with the PSP to stream video off it. I watch movies on my phone (Treo 650) and often wish there were a way I could use a portable storage medium to have more movies on hand at all times (right now I'm limited to my 1gb compact flash card in the phone). As it is I need a computer to transfer files to/from that memory card.

Also, if Sony does things right with the new Connect Player and DRM, etc., they could score a lot of points. Usually people shun Sony players simply because they don't like Sonic Stage...

[andicillo]

The ipod mini is so popular it makes us all sick but Sony produce nothing that will upset that.

The same month that Sony release the new machines - apple produces the ipod nano which is

1. smaller than the mini by 50%

2. Has a colour screen

3. can share ipod accessories (except remote controls as it doesn't have the same interface for remotes).

4. Can store & display pictures.

5. Has great software support in iTunes.

6. and like the press release says is 'impossibly small' and still has 4GB.

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I couldn't agree more. It seeems as if Sony was just not looking at its competitors or as if they would simply lack creativity... I mean, they still don't have Mac support and they just don't want to...

They are not incorporating pictures or video to their players and they are not "moving forward" .. Doing something that combines very new technology and a great design. I just hate the "bland" concept of Ipods, but their concept really works because they are offering really good and versatile technology and an EXCELLENT support (and a very easy interface)

[Stefan1]

1. smaller than the mini by 50%

2. Has a colour screen

3. can share ipod accessories (except remote controls as it doesn't have the same interface for remotes).

4. Can store & display pictures.

5. Has great software support in iTunes.

6. and like the press release says is 'impossibly small' and still has 4GB.

Couldn't agree more. While the new walkmans look awesome, I feel like Sony is just 1 step behind. Had that come out at the same time as mini, Apple would actually have a serious competitor. But the nano kills everything else out there right now (too bad Ipods sound bad).

[lamewing]

Couldn't agree more.  While the new walkmans look awesome, I feel like Sony is just 1 step behind.  Had that come out at the same time as mini, Apple would actually have a serious competitor.  But the nano kills everything else out there right now (too bad Ipods sound bad).

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Speaking as someone who grew up with walkmans from the mid 80's and on, I WANT Sony to survive...to prosper, but it is apparent that Sony is no longer the company it once was. Due to ignorance, arrogance, or whatnot, it doesn't matter. What matters is that Sony stop playing catch up and truly innovate again.

Someone here (perhaps another thread) earlier mentioned that Sony doesn't often do market research when it comes to designing products, but insteads hopes, expects(?) folks to like them simply because SONY designed them. I don't think that is a good idea anymore. They may have been able to pull this off 20 years ago, but not in this day and age.

After looking at the new walkmans I am reminded that Sony really has no clue anymore. Those things are hideous. The "organic" looks just doesn't do it for me. It reminds me of a Kharma(?), only translucent. That clear plastic look reminds me of a cheap toy that comes out of a gumball machine. I don't know about you, but Apple had a hit the iPod mini's aluminum body. Heck SONY and Sharp both had the same thing (Aluminum body) going for them with their better quality MD units!!! Now Sony only uses plastics with their items (1/2 plastic and 1/2 aluminum on their flagship HIMD unit? GRRRR) The AL bodies gave the unit substance and the appearance of a "solid" product. While this may or may not have an affect on the reliability, I for one want that metal body. Appearances and feeling do sell...

Sony also has a problem with their SS software which HOPEFULLY will be fixed with the SS replacement software. That problem is the TOTAL LACK of multi-language support in software and hardware ACROSS the product line. Customers should be able to use any language they want without relying on AppLocale and/or registry hacks. Sony, where is the unicode programming? Also, multilanguage support is MORE than just English and Japanese. Wake up Sony.

I guess the number one complaint I have is the requirement for a special piece of software to load my player. How about it true drap and drop and play capabilities. The argument that this allows for piracy in nonsense, especially considering that we can still copy files to the player and give them to a friend. We might not be able to play them, but copying and pirating them would be simple. So what is the point of restricting us to a single program? This a point of contention with me, the average Joe who makes a mix tape or shares a few songs is not the problem. The problem is these folks who abuse sharing songs, and more importantly, these pirates who deal in VOLUME.

Recently, I have tried an iPod 60GB color, a Sony Pocket Vaio 40GB, a Cowon X5L 30GB, and an iPod nano 4GB. Each has strenghts and weaknesses.

1. The Sony is the most well-built of the four, no question and really good hardware does impress me. To bad I MUST use the cradle for everything and I am stuck with SS and probbably a lack of future support from Sony. I have always been impressed (amazed) at the number of items Sony throws at the market. Didn't we just get new flash and HD players.... eg. the NW-5, yet we have new HD and flash players at the end of the year. And I thought Apple produced a lot of different players.

2. The Cowon construction seems strong, but the accessories seem pretty crappy, including the power supply, which broke IN HALF while I was pulling it out of the wall socket. The X5L has tremendous battery life and everything is truly drag, drop and play. Cowon support is slow, unfortunetly. I don't know about Sony's support, as I haven't ever had to use it in the last 20 years.

3. The 60GB iPod is the defacto standard. It has the most polished UI of any of these units. Its ease of use is incredible, but the battery life is terrible. The lack of extra features (I know, it is a player) really bothers me, especially when the features are in the software, but you need accessories to use them. Like the voice recorder. WHy do I have to spend an extra $40.00 for the iTrip (or others)? Why couldn't Apple have included a mic on board. And why isn't there a usuable EQ?

4. The nano has really impressed me. The cost for 4GB of flash, when compared to the other competitors is astounding (the 2GB isn't as impressive - price wise) The amount of memory it has really should embarrass Sony into action. I would have preferred an aluminum body, like the mini, but the solid construction of this nano is great. Sound is okay, but once again Apple confuses me. I can understand the lack of a microphone on the larger player, but this is THE unit (the minis possibly) that should have had a built in mic. While I am stuck with software to load this thing, at least iTunes is simple and intuitive to use, unlike SS.

I will end up keeping the nano and either the Pocket Vaio or the X5L. The 60gigger iPod is going back on Monday.

I still need a recording solution for my lectures which leaves me using the X5L or MD/HIMD. If I end up with a MD/HIMD unit for recording, buying one will be tough. I am really not impressed with the new HIMD units. The older MDLP units like the R900 and the DR7/DR77 really impress me, but uploading them is an issue. Have the HIMD units gotten past the bugs with uploading? I have read that folks have lost their recordings more than once. I hope that this has been fixed Also, when uploading the recordings, does the recording stay on the HIMD disc?

Joe

Edited September 18, 2005 by lamewing

[Dinko]

Speaking as someone who grew up with walkmans from the mid 80's and on, I WANT Sony to survive...to prosper, but it is apparent that Sony is no longer the company it once was.

True enough. But having tried Sony gadgets like the NWHD1, the MZRH10, the NW-E99 and the NW-E407 I think they do pretty well in terms of developing new Walkmans without market research. At least on the hardware side. No one comes close to Sony battery life. The NWHD1 feels pretty solid (can't remember if its aluminium or magnesium). The NW-E407 which looks to be of similar build quality as the new A-series Walkmans was also pretty solid in my hands. Didn't seem to get any scratches or other physical damage. Also, blindly operating the NW-E99 when it's in a pocket is a breeze.

While I am stuck with software to load this thing, at least iTunes is simple and intuitive to use, unlike SS.

I don't know about that. I still can't use iTunes (in fact it's now deleted from my harddrive including Apple's parasitic hidden applications that load up during startup even when the program is gone). Tracks purchased from iTunes Music Store are playable in RealPlayer so no problem there. But I still find SonicStage more intuitive than iTunes.

Also, when uploading the recordings, does the recording stay on the HIMD disc?

Yup. After 1 upload, the recording stays on the minidisc, it is not erased. Once on the PC, the recording is (or can be) saved as a wave file with no restrictions at all so it can be easily manipulated. I don't know about multiple uploads because I've never needed to do that.

[iyareu]

But I still find SonicStage more intuitive than iTunes.

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I am taken aback and surprised. I have not heard anyone say that before.

Whilst, as I said, iTunes is flawed in many ways I still cannot imagine what it feels like to find SS more intuitive than iTunes.

Please explain what you mean. I'm not asking you to justify as you obviously don't need me to tell you that you are entitled to your opinion.

Additionally, Sony seem to have had their finger on the pulse of what people want for some years (I too cannot fault all the great MD players when it comes to construction - except the 1st and 2nd gen HiMD players - too much plastic).

As with many companies who do that consistently, they begin to believe they only direct the market and will never need to respond to it (hence the lack of market research). Then all goes haywire when the market moves and they are not ready for it. e.g. Apple releases iPod and changes the way we listen to music.

Someone else said they playing catch-up. They were right and it is sad to watch.

Why-oh-why discontinue the excellent vaio pocket - why not release a newer better one and call it 'walkman' - why not keep the great features instead of going backwards.

Just think about it - no current Sony HDD player has photo capabilities and the ONE machine that did - is discontinued.

Meanwhile almost every other manufacturer is releasing machines with photo capabilities (Toshiba, iRiver, Samsung, Creative etc) which have a smaller footprint and volume than the last players they released.

Sony's latest offering has text on an OLED (well whoop-dee-doo!!) and from what I can tell is bigger than the previous most recent Sony HDD player (the HD5) - WOW!!

Can someone tell me in what way the new players are better than the the HD5?

I love how they look - but it is NOT an improvement in functionallity!

(The new Connect Player better be worth it!!)

Having an intelligent hard drive is great but unless you are not looking at protecting your £200 investment anyway, it is not as attractive as

1. ease of use, or

2. easy integration into your current lifestyle, or

3. other features you will be conscious of using e.g. photo/slideshow/video viewing

Sony's arrogance is what is hurting them now.

They need to go back to the drawing board and develop something that has what people want - not something which makes engineers at SONY feel god about themselves.

They must understand that the two things are no longer necessarily linked.

I WANT to buy Sony - but if something happened to my Vaio Pocket today - I would be forced to change player as it is discontinued. Also I would have to go the functionality route and I can't see a Sony solution that makes the grade.

[Dinko]

I am taken aback and surprised. I have not heard anyone say that before.

Whilst, as I said, iTunes is flawed in many ways I still cannot imagine what it feels like to find SS more intuitive than iTunes.

Please explain what you mean. I'm not asking you to justify as you obviously don't need me to tell you that you are entitled to your opinion.

Well, let's take track info. In SonicStage, Windows Media Player and others, when I want to manually edit track information, I just use the arrow keys and the tab key. I could never get that done in iTunes.

The pop-up information cards in iTunes confused me. Hitting the tab key did not act the same way as hitting the tab key in SonicStage or Windows Media Player. The tab key on iTunes cards took me to the control buttons at the bottom of the card (cancel, next, etc). This operation didn't make sense to me. The tab key in SonicStage or WMP took me to the next text field. Now this made sense to me.

Then the menus. I could never find what I was looking for in the iTunes menus, because different options were placed where I didn't expect them to be. With SonicStage, I just followed basic Windows experience and clicked on the menu category I was interested in, and I found my target.

Then, take the track bitrate settings. In SonicStage, you could easily rip a few tracks from a CD in ATRAC3, then turn around and rip the others in ATRAC3Plus, by simply clicking on the Settings button. With iTunes, I got tired of going through 3 or 4 menus to change the specified bitrates.

Then there's the library. The iTunes library just felt weird. And "right click" didn't work. In WMP, you right click and choose new playlist, then F2 and you rename the play list. That never worked in iTunes. In SonicStage, you right-click a track and edit properties, or get menu options. That never worked for me in iTunes. Everything that I could do to a track by right-clicking on it in SonicStage, I could do in iTunes, but I had to go through the different menu options.

Selecting tracks was a pain. The "Select/Deselect All" thing never worked in iTunes, so I had to manually deselect dozens of tracks in a playlist that I didn't want burned on the CDR.

Then the whole SonicStage left to right Source / Library / Destination somehow seemed logical. You import your CD from left to right. The right hand side then becomes your library, and moves to the center. And if you want to move tracks from the library to a device, then the library goes left and the device screen goes right. So you move tracks from the library to the device by going left to right. The same screens applied to burning tracks to a CD. Pick the tracks you want, hit the orange-red right arrow button on the screen, and off the tracks go from left to right. It just seemed like a much clearer indication of what the software was doing, and which tracks it was doing it too.

My biggest problem was really the nonresponsive F2 commands and right click menus that I could never get to work in iTunes, as well as the track import settings which were easy and direct in SonicStage, but a painful walk through a bunch of menus in iTunes.

There were other things that bugged me with iTunes.

AAC at 128kbps didn't sound as good to me as ATRAC3 at 132. Burning the same track at those bitrates, first of all took longer in iTunes. Second, the sound quality of the AAC file was pretty bad. I played with some orchestral film scores and some classical music. In ATRAC, the violins retained a shining tone and the trumpets a raspy, velvety and blooming sound. In AAC, the violins gained an annoying frosty glaze similar to mp3 files, and the trumpets turned from raspy and velvety to distorted and muted apparently lacking higher frequencies. iTunes would only work with iPod (regular and mini) devices. By the time Apple introduced the Shuffle, Sony had an HDD player, flash players and minidisc players, all of which worked with SonicStage, and all of which had their own advantages. So, unbelievable as it may sound, Sony had a lot more devices working with its software, than Apple did with iTunes, and the Sony devices worked pretty well. I don't know about iTunes and the iPod, because I've never had an iPod since iTunes was bothering me and I perceived AAC as inferior to ATRAC.

Finally, the initial lack of WMA support in iTunes was a pain in the a**. Sony devices didn't play WMA files, but at least SonicStage did (unprotected WMA that is). Much easier to convert directly through SonicStage before transferring to a device than to convert to AAC or mp3 using some other software before playing the tracks or transferring them using iTunes. That was then. This has changed with iTunes now supporting wma, but it took a while before WMA appeard in iTunes (compared to SonicStage which had it for years and at one time was able to rip CDs in WMA - or at least OpenMG Jukebox was capable).

[iyareu]

Strangely enough on reading your email I have to agree with most the points.

ATRAC is much better than AAC and the whole 'developed for windows' thing makes using it much easier.

BUT

In SS you have to use alternate screens to see tracks and albums which is not a real problem except if you have

many tracks it is deathly slow to go between views.

Whenever I edit multiple tracks - I have to set it going and come back after a cuppa.

When I import mp3's - if it is a compilation - I get 1 album for each track and have to edit the tracks to make it 1 album in SS.

The CD cover art doesn't come in automatically.

I cannot do podcasts or synchronise my HDD player. I have to know if I have copied an album or track onto the HDD player.

In addition - the search facilities on each screen differ which is confusing and inconvenient.

I do like - and probably take for granted - that there is the basic Windows XP setup e.g. the F2 etc. but the inconsistencies annoy me.

In addition it is such a DARK & BLAND colour scheme and I can't change that.

For me the best jukebox is WMP 10.

It does everything I want in a way that makes sense.

If Sony can get ATRAC files read with WMP 10 and get it to see the HDD layer - I will be living in music heaven!!

[Beethovenian]

Wow, Dinko, I'm impressed. You post is very authoritative and convincing. I can't really compare SonicStage to iTunes because I hated iTunes when I downloaded it (I hate programs that seem to be done for dummies and that keep installing themselves everywhere and trying to be active all the time) and unistalled it right after. That said, I don't consider SonicStage a good program. It's not as stable as it should, it can be very slow and it's a nightmare if you have any kind of file authorization problem. But I agree with most of your points about editing track information and logic in the general way it works.

[semiloose]

here is a picture of steve Jobs looking at the new sony walkman series...

from engadget

[iyareu]

[AWESOME!!

[xispe]

hahaha! nice!

Edited September 24, 2005 by xispe

[pata2001]

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000227059950/#comments

Read the user posted captions. LOL.

[LNTwebmaster]

I'm just back from the Apple Expo (Paris) and what a surprise, SONY was there! only one bad thing..MiniDisc is totally out...not even 1 device to show

anyway here a pic of the new HDD player with its official remote (kinda like the one from qualia MiniDisc)

Here the Craddle, 2 big surprise, on the left the USB plug is in fact the DC in 6V, in the middle, it's the USB special plug and FINALLY a line out on the right!!!

Edited September 24, 2005 by LNTwebmaster

[Ishiyoshi]

Welcome to ALC!

Thanks for sharing those pictures.

[doclloyd]

Nice pic of the bottom of the unit. I was concerned they were going to just have a funky connector for data transfer again, like the HD1/HD3. But the inclusion of a mini-USB port is great. And the Line-out port is also quite a surprise. I think it will make a lot of people quite happy.

[Dimitri]

Except that it's on the bottom.

[szsiddiq1214]

actually i think thats a pic of the back of the cradel...right?

[tekdroid]

here is a picture of steve Jobs looking at the new sony walkman series...

from engadget

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classic!

[Dimitri]

actually i think thats a pic of the back of the cradel...right?

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Looking back at it, it probably is the cradle.

[lxrichbirdxl]

Hey guys, why is the wheel control panel on some promo pics look like the iPod touchpad, but on the actual shots, the controls look like plastic buttons and disintegreted? Thanks in advance.

Edited September 25, 2005 by lxrichbirdxl

[szsiddiq1214]

yea, i noticed that too...some of the promo pics must be of 3D renderings or mockups of the real thing

[lxrichbirdxl]

Thanks! But it's still very nice indeed!

[dutchtrance]

when is the 600 out?

i`ve always wanted one of those, but wanted to wait for support for the new bit rates.

[LNTwebmaster]

Welcome to ALC!

Thanks for sharing those pictures. 

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You're welcome, and thanks =)

btw yeah it is the cradle and btw...I specify in the caption that it was the cradle lol

[lxrichbirdxl]

Btw, what's the batt life for this new series models?

[LNTwebmaster]

Sony Official said 30 hours for the HDD, it was on the brochure that I throw it into trash lol