rirsa Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Sony is showing a professional solid state recorder at AES. They are late to the game and it is expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Apparently the model number is PCM-D1, and it will retail for about $2,000. It records native WAV files onto flash memory and has knock out specs. More info as I can find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZ-NH1 Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Sounds good. Pitty I won't be spending $2,000 on a recorder!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rirsa Posted October 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Pitty I won't be spending $2,000 on a recorder!!! Yeah, but maybe this is them entering the solid state recorder market in a splashy way (take a look at the pics). I think we'll see other products at cheaper price points. In the last year this market really heated up. They are competing with other solid state (and HD) recorders from Marantz, HHB, Nagra, Tascam, M-Audio, Edirol, Sound Devices, and a few others besides that hit a variety of different price/feature/quality price points between sub $400 all the way up to several thousand. If nothing else this is an acknowledgement by Sony that this is where the action is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NRen2k5 Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Well hey guys, this is pretty good.Imagine an HD5 Network Walkman with optical/line recording. It's not quite minidisc, but I'd definitely buy something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streaml1ne Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Does anyone have pictures of this thing? I haven't found anything about it on google yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roamer Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Yeah, but maybe this is them entering the solid state recorder market in a splashy way (take a look at the pics). I think we'll see other products at cheaper price points. In the last year this market really heated up. They are competing with other solid state (and HD) recorders from Marantz, HHB, Nagra, Tascam, M-Audio, Edirol, Sound Devices, and a few others besides that hit a variety of different price/feature/quality price points between sub $400 all the way up to several thousand. If nothing else this is an acknowledgement by Sony that this is where the action is now.There wasn't that much competition (with PCM quality) under $400 (apart from HiMD and refurbished Creative Jukebox 3). I was looking at M-Audio and Edirol offers, but found them still a bit expensive for my current budget. I hope they have very good specs for this price tag ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 OK! Here's a site for it:http://aes.harmony-central.com/119AES/Cont.../PR/PCM-D1.htmlThe PCM-D1 is a retro-looking field recorder that can capture audio at 96 KHz/24-bit quality on either the 4GB of built-in memory or any size MemoryStick Pro card.Weeeeeeeeeird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streaml1ne Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Bet that titanium shell has something to do with the cost. They've really been pimping the Linear PCM as if it's some sort of god-like property lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meryl Arbing Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Sony PCM-D1I'm not sure why I would want to give up my Hi-MD for this? I could buy an awful lot of Hi-MD discs for $2,000! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rirsa Posted October 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 There wasn't that much competition (with PCM quality) under $400 (apart from HiMD and refurbished Creative Jukebox 3). I was looking at M-Audio and Edirol offers, but found them still a bit expensive for my current budget. I hope they have very good specs for this price tag ...Core Sound sells the M-Audio for $369 although I'd wait until M-audio get the bugs worked out of the firmware. If you are on a tight budget MD is still hard to beat. What will drive Sony, however, is the fact that they are losing a decent-sized chunk of their market for MD recorders to solid state recorders. There is a huge market for recorders to record meetings, conferences, legal proceedings, interviews for broadcast, interviews for educational/research purposes etc. A lot of those people used to use MD but many have been moving onto the Marantz and simliar gear for a while now. No one wants to mess with DRM and Sonicstage when they need to get the audio transferred so it can be transcribed, edited, etc. A few years ago it was either $200 for MD, $700 for DAT (also Sony) or $1400 for the cheapest solid state recorders (or if you were into kludges, stuff like the JB3). But the price difference is now trivial for most of these users and easily made up elsewhere. There are at least three widely available solid state recorders that can be bought for well under $500. The Sony MZ-M100, their Hi-MD recorder for "broadcast and business" users, is $400. Even if you add in cost for CF cards etc. the difference isn't significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roamer Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Nice to see M-Audio a bit cheaper that i was thinking, but with import duty to Europe, well, i will probably also wait a bit ...I've seen the picture now. It look nice, but it is much more expensive than HiMD, probably doesn't fit in the pocket ... There are pro users who could be interested, but that's a different market segment than HiMD.I wonder about the inputs/outputs of the PCM-D1, which are not listed (yet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A440 Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 It looks like a remote control, doesn't it?I don't see why the mics are built in with such a fixed configuration. They add considerably to the size of the unit, and anyone spending this kind of money on a recorder is probably going to want to use serious outboard mics anyway. Are you supposed to hold the thing in your hand while you record? Find a cushioned place to put it? I doubt there's much stereo separation either. But sure, I want one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0fler Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 i just saw this on the net http://aes.harmony-central.com/119AES/Cont.../PR/PCM-D1.htmlit looks like a piece of expensive crap but i think this is where sony is heading as far as recorders are concerned, flash memory and i dont thinks it supports ATRAC, just PCMwith a RRP of 2000 dollars it fairly useless for meand its made from titanium, imagine a titanium MD, that could have been something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommypeters Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Not much "cool factor" in that... I wonder if those two built-in mics are removable?On the low(er) end, Sony has released the "Electronic Razor-lookalike" ICD-CX50...It records both picture and sound, to flash:http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/337/C3817/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Roamer Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 It's built-in mics in XY configuration, but agreed, at this price, there are several users who would prefer phantom power output and plug their own mics.There are already 3 posts on this unit, maybe we should merge the comments ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1kyle Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 That "Razor" thing looks like some horrible gizmo in a 1940's science fiction movie. Even the most dedicated "must have" gizmo fanatic inhabiting "Chav Central " would hate this one.Video on the move has been pushed around ever since the early 1950's -- once the initial enthousiasm wears off people really don't want to watch video on those tiny screens -- the minimum practical screen size for watching movies are those smallish portable DVD players . Watching video / tv on a tiny mobile phone screen will never IMO really take off.Mind you the person who designed "The Razor" really needs to go back to school again -- UGLY, UGLY, UGLY.Cheers-K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueraja Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 The PCM-D1 article stated it takes a "removable Memory Stick Pro"... should that have read "removable Hi-MD disc"??Oh, in my DREAMS. So let us introduce yet ANOTHER format... MSP (mem stick pro). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueraja Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 There's a button you press that makes those two mic heads SHOOT out on tiny bungee strings called F.O.B.s (Fiber Optic Bungee), that then stick to any subject to up to 30feet away via the S.C.M.H.s (Suction Cup Mic Heads) for more accurate sound.Unfortunately this causes faster battery drain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 There are already 3 posts on this unit, maybe we should merge the comments ? Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rirsa Posted October 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 If you are going to spend that sort of money the new Nagra is supposedly under a $1000. http://www.nagraaudio.com/pro/index.php. And for $2400 you can have a Sound Devices 722. And that Razor thingee, Olympus does low-end solid state voice recorders better and cheaper. http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/...alrecorders.aspA lot of the newer Olympus gear records using 44.1KHz stereo WMA at 64kbps or 128kbps with frequency sensitivty up to 17kHz. In their gear Sony uses all sorts of weird much more compressed formats with low sample rates. LPEC, TRS, ICS? Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadeclaw Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 The PCM-D1 article stated it takes a "removable Memory Stick Pro"... should that have read "removable Hi-MD disc"??Now that would be the real kicker!So let us introduce yet ANOTHER format... MSP (mem stick pro). This isn't a new format. The MemoryStickPro is available since some time.Problem: The original MemoryStick has a 128MB limit. The Pro-version is the answer to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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