DATfan Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Okay, I can encode my wav to lossless ATRAC. Then I want to transfer to the Hi-MD, but files end up as Hi-SP. Is lossless ATRAC only writable to CD and not MD?Sorry for the silly question, still working on learning what I can do with Hi-MD, Sonic Stage, etc.I noticed I have several encoding rates available in the software but not in my manual. Is there are definitive list and description of all of them?TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin42 Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 AFAIK, the lossless ATRAC format only works losslessly (is that a word?) on the PC. It creates a file that is a wrapper around 2 parts-- the lossless portion and a normal MD-compatible format (which is why you can choose Lossless 256/64/etc). It will only transfer the lossy portion to the MD unit. (assuming that since it's portable you don't need the fidelity?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DATfan Posted November 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 AFAIK, the lossless ATRAC format only works losslessly (is that a word?) on the PC. It creates a file that is a wrapper around 2 parts-- the lossless portion and a normal MD-compatible format (which is why you can choose Lossless 256/64/etc). It will only transfer the lossy portion to the MD unit. (assuming that since it's portable you don't need the fidelity?)Well, can I transfer wav as uncompressed PCM to the MD? Or is that only for recording directly with the Hi-MD unit via the microphone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raintheory Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Well, can I transfer wav as uncompressed PCM to the MD? Or is that only for recording directly with the Hi-MD unit via the microphone?You can transfer WAV/PCM to Hi-MD just fine. You have to use either SonicStage or SimpleBurner though (can't just drag & drop a WAV file from explorer).To do so, be sure to set the transfer setting to "As Is" in SonicStage or "PCM" in SimpleBurner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrius Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 I suggest you use WMA Lossless instead of Atrac-L. SS will take it, and you don't run the risk of having the dreaded license errors in case of a backup or restore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 AFAIK, the lossless ATRAC format only works losslessly (is that a word?) on the PC.The latest Sony S70x series Network Walkman can support ATRAC Advanced Lossless, but according to the manual it will not support gapless playback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DATfan Posted December 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 (edited) I suggest you use WMA Lossless instead of Atrac-L. SS will take it, and you don't run the risk of having the dreaded license errors in case of a backup or restore.A belated thanks. I finally understand what you are saying about the license issues. Apparently, I would not be able to recover the original WAV from my ATRAC files should I attempt to do it on another machine (or on my own machine, if I had reinstalled my OS). Yikes!After much research, I have decided to use OPTIMFROG for all long-term WAV archiving (not day-to-day use). Edited December 25, 2006 by DATfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 AFAIK you should be able to convert a ATRAC Lossless to WAV. I assume what Syrius meant was Unless you have a problem with your SS library, in that the licenses gets corrupt or something. Which while not common with the last few versions of SS its not unheard of either. I'd never had a problem with that, even between a few machines. I'd never even heard of OPTIMFROG till I saw your post. Why use that? I'd use something more common these days, with HD space being so cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DATfan Posted December 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 (edited) AFAIK you should be able to convert a ATRAC Lossless to WAV. I assume what Syrius meant was Unless you have a problem with your SS library, in that the licenses gets corrupt or something. Which while not common with the last few versions of SS its not unheard of either. I'd never had a problem with that, even between a few machines. I'd never even heard of OPTIMFROG till I saw your post. Why use that? I'd use something more common these days, with HD space being so cheap.AFAIK, if I change machines or reinstall the OS, the license key is no longer valid and the files cannot be used.You are asking a minidisc user why he doesn't use something more common? EDIT:Here's a great comparison table for various CODECs.http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?ti...less_comparisonBecause my goal is to compress and archive, I choose to compress to the smallest file size. To compress to larger than the minimum file size does not make sense. I do admit one ulterior motive, the ability to tag OFR files.I also admit FLAC files are definitely intriguing, especially the ability to include pictures of the CD cover & booklet. Edited December 26, 2006 by DATfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 (edited) I can move my tracks between machines, but I don't use the library backup and restore to do it. I simply copy the files to the other machine and reimport them. Its faster and has no license limitations. IMOhttp://forums.minidisc.org/index.php?showtopic=16048&hl=You are not using any of the the MD formats to archive, because its limitations. So it makes sense to move to a more open format with better features. If HD space is your primary concern then choosing a codec based on compression ratio's makes sense. But since HD space is cheap and the differences between these lossless codecs are not great http://members.home.nl/w.speek/comparison.htm I don't see the point of choosing solely on that. But its a free world.Personally I'd be more concerned about the openness of the format, widespread support and if it supported in any portable devices, and if its fast. That said I decided to make my library Lame MP3 and consider my lossless backup to be my CD's. As I don't have the HD space for lossless and don't really want to invest in that. If I scratch a CD (exteremely rare) I can just replace it, and that easier and faster than encoding and managing a lossless library. At the moment my equipment and my ears, find that 192-256kps is good enough (for me). If I had the time and money I'd use lossless and something like a X5 which has native FLAC support without Rockbox. Edited December 26, 2006 by Sparky191 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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