Why can't I simply transfer the wav file to my PC?! WTF Sony?

[superboy]

I love my RH1 and it's recording abilities, but I'm being fed up with this ATRAC BS. Why the hell can't I just transfer the freakin wav file off the RH1 onto my computer without the damn ATRAC lossless conversion nonsense? What a load of baloney.

Look, I want the wav file. It's a pcm wav file already on the disc. Just give me the damn file. I don't need to make it an ATRAC lossless file just to convert it into a wav file. First of all, it takes up twice as much space on the computer. Second of all, it takes twice as long because of the middleman ATRAC file.

I am consistently amazed at Sony and their ability to make themselves look useless. Sony is the Rainman of electronic companies. brilliant mind underneath...yet they can't help making themselves look genetically inferior. I love how Apple is the opposite with their ability to take a mediocre product and make the world believe it's the Second Coming.

I think it took me 2 hours to transfer 3 hours of PCM recordings to my computer. That's some speed.

[Strungup]

takes about 35 seconds on my APPLE MACBOOK PRO with MD Transfer 2.0

and it stays as WAV , HiLP> Wav , HiSP>Wav ,PCM>Wav .

Edited September 25, 2007 by Guitarfxr

[Richard]

* Moved to Software Discussion

[superboy]

I don't get it, am I doing something wrong? Why is my transfer speed so slow? And how many ways are there to download the wav file from the mindisc? As far as I can tell, there are only two settings in Sonicstage that deal with that...one is the setting that says to transfer the files as-is without conversion...the other is the one that says to convert the file to a wav after it's transferred. Am I correct?

Also, how long does it take you people to transfer a full HiMD (1 GB) worth of PCM recordings? It takes me a long time...I'll say around 1/2 hour at the fastest (going through the whole wav conversion BS).

[Avrin]

1/2 hour is quite normal. The reading speed of the device itself is not very fast. Older units take even more time.

Edited September 25, 2007 by Avrin

[superboy]

Well, ok. It's not an old unit, it's an RH1. I will say that uploading mp3's to the device is much faster than my RH10, but that's not to say it's all that fast. If you really think about how fast you can transfer 1 GB of data onto and off of a USB drive, the mindisc upload/download speed is very slow.

Again, why can't we just download the files straight off of the minidisc? Why does Sonicstage have to go through this whole conversion routine? It's things like this that caused the minidisc to be a failed experiment by Sony. They better get back into the portable recording business because it looks like th flash recording industry is on the cusp of a boom. there are some cool devices out there.

[pata2001]

HiMD is sub USB1.1 speed, so that "slow" speed is expected. Nothing much you can do about it.

[younes10]

i've got also an issue with my sonicstage. can somebody please help me with it, cause i dont understand it. it freaks out the second that i put a file on my mp3. all the songs dissapears then. what can i do??

[A440]

@superboy:

It has long been agreed here that the whole SonicStage rigamarole is beyond stupid. Obviously, it's what killed minidisc. Unfortunately, it's the compromise we make for the other good features of minidisc.

Guitarfxr is using Mac, which is apparently faster than PC because Sony loosened some of its encryption for Mac Transfer.

Are you (1) uploading as-is or 2) uploading and converting to .wav? If (2), no wonder it's taking forever--it's not only getting the files by USB 1.1 but chewing on them before it's done. Do an as-is upload. Then convert to .wav later, maybe overnight. The total time will be the same, but you'll know you have the files off the disc.

U-Nes, you should start a different thread.

[Strungup]

@superboy:

It has long been agreed here that the whole SonicStage rigamarole is beyond stupid. Obviously, it's what killed minidisc. Unfortunately, it's the compromise we make for the other good features of minidisc.

Guitarfxr is using Mac, which is apparently faster than PC because Sony loosened some of its encryption for Mac Transfer.

Absolutely agreed 440 , the sonic stage issue , Should never have been introduced . The MD was a Marvelous ,Completely Usable tech , before SS , and just the desire to integrate it with the PC is what did the most Damage . Lack of Marketing and Supply and Demand issues wre the first problems , but true recordists were willing to overcome those hurdles .

Truth be told , I wish MD would go back to the NON Computer days , and end all the issues.

[A440]

Truth be told , I wish MD would go back to the NON Computer days , and end all the issues.

I don't. It's a digital recorder. It should have been fully integrated as soon as possible into the drag-and-drop universe.

It's the pointless, user-insulting halfway measures that have always been the problem. Think about the the effort Sony put into the encryption/decryption of SonicStage, Open(ha ha)MG and the .hma file structure, and how much better that effort would have been spent on engineering MD.

[tekdroid]

If you really think about how fast you can transfer 1 GB of data onto and off of a USB drive, the mindisc upload/download speed is very slow.

nature of the beast, i'm afraid. MiniDisc simply doesn't transfer the data off the disc as fast as solid-state flash drives (or higher speed optical drives).

Again, why can't we just download the files straight off of the minidisc?

'Cause the hardware itself doesn't save as unencrypted standard files you would expect. Sony designed it around policing what you can and can't do with digital content. Of course they hurt their customers and themselves (big time).

Credit to them, nobody's broken it.

I've said it before but I think millions of customer interactions with NetMD did the most damage to MiniDisc and Sony's name in portable audio in general, after that it was all over - perceptions of the technology had been shaped. Even today the encryption and decryption just adds another point of failure (and complexity to hardware and user interactions) to an otherwise good product that does far more things right than wrong, IMO.

I would pay decent bucks for a native drag-n-drop Hi-MD model, but I'm not holding my breath.