Remote for NH1 that inserts track marks?

[baturjan]

I've searched a lot in the forum, and read "MDCF's A Guide To Sony LCD Remotes" but I can't find any information about remotes with a track mark button that will work with the NH1. Is there such a thing?

my previous unit, R55, had one, and since upgrading to the NH1, I've missed that feature.

[A440]

The P-Mode button on any of the newer remotes--like the RM-MC40ELK, which I think is the one that comes with the NH1--inserts track marks while recording.

[kino170878]

Wouldn't it be great if the remote could insert track marks while playing back as well as while recording. I don't think there is a single device out there that can do it.

[sfbp]

I don't see what the big deal is.... there is a Tmark button on just about every recorder. And the easiest way to do it is to pause at exactly where you want, then Tmark.

Of course the "rehearsal" system that the decks have is echoed on the most sophisticated ones (eg RH1) but it isn't that critical at least to me.

Just my $0.02

[raintheory]

Edited August 17, 2008 by raintheory

[baturjan]

I don't listen to music on my MD. I use it for language learning. The interface on my M200 and the speed of the device is blown away by the iPod, IMHO. However, even with all the digital recorders out there, there is still no better device for listening to audio for language learning purposes than an MD recorder. The track mark feature is the primary feature that sets it apart. I'm able to isolate a word, phrase, or sentence with track marks, and then then listen to it over and over with the repeat function. (not to mention using the repeat bookmarked tracks feature). I've started studying my 4th language (aside from English), Arabic. I'm constantly using the T-mark. My old R55 had a remote with a Track mark button. Its a convenient feature. I usually listen to my language recordings while doing other things, and when I need to clean up a recording, or isolate a difficult part, I quickly insert track marks. I usually have the MD unit in my pocket and use the remote because I'm not always sitting while listening to it. Therefore, having the track mark button on the remote is ideal for me.

I firmly believe that there is a significant demand for the MD for language learning students, if they only knew what it could do. My classmates are blown away when I show them how I use it, in addition to the sound quality.

SFBP, what is the "rehearsal" system?

Edited September 4, 2008 by baturjan

[sfbp]

SFBP, what is the "rehearsal" system?

The feature on all decks and now (only recently) some of the high MD units (eg the RH1, I haven't looked at the other ones) that allows you to divide a track where you want by moving the divide point BEFORE you make the actual mark. This involves playing 3 seconds or so of what comes after the divide point, which can be (at least on the decks) specified down to a 4 millisecond "frame".

Wow that's interesting that the R37, R50 and R55 allow you to do trackmarking from the remote. I wonder why Sony took out that feature? Maybe it was too easy to make a mistake.......

[baturjan]

The feature on all decks and now (only recently) some of the high MD units (eg the RH1, I haven't looked at the other ones) that allows you to divide a track where you want by moving the divide point BEFORE you make the actual mark. This involves playing 3 seconds or so of what comes after the divide point, which can be (at least on the decks) specified down to a 4 millisecond "frame".

Thanks for reminding me of the "rehearsal" feature. I totally forgot about that. That combined with Speed Control will help me a lot!

[kino170878]

My old R55 had a remote with a Track mark button. Its a convenient feature. I usually listen to my language recordings while doing other things, and when I need to clean up a recording, or isolate a difficult part, I quickly insert track marks. I usually have the MD unit in my pocket and use the remote because I'm not always sitting while listening to it. Therefore, having the track mark button on the remote is ideal for me.

On page 22 of the manual for the MZ-R55 it states "TRACK MARK on the remote does not function during playback". I always assumed that meant I would not be able to insert track marks from the remote at all. Are you sure you can insert tracks from the remote? Or does pausing the track and then pressing the track mark button on the remote manage to do the trick? If it works like you say I will have to get this unit because no recent minidisc units offer that facility I believe.

Just to confirm then, after making the recording on the minidisc and then listening to it over, you are able to insert track marks through the remote?

Edited September 4, 2008 by kino170878

[sfbp]

I looked at the manual too. You can only do track mark when recording. The function of the TM button when playing back, is quite different, it has to do with cancelling a MOVE. Odd, that.

[baturjan]

I looked at the manual too. You can only do track mark when recording. The function of the TM button when playing back, is quite different, it has to do with cancelling a MOVE. Odd, that.

I guess I'm wrong. It's been two years since my R55 died. I remember pressing pause and then pressing the TM. I'm pretty sure it was on the remote because I do remember being disappointed with with my M200 remote not doing this.

[Hungerdunger]

I don't see what the big deal is.... there is a Tmark button on just about every recorder. And the easiest way to do it is to pause at exactly where you want, then Tmark.

When I'm working outside, my RH1 or NH1 is always in a pouch and usually under my overalls. If I want to make a track mark, it would be far easier if I could do it from the remote.

[sfbp]

My (bitter) experience of recording (and dealing with it afterwards) is that the automatic marking is the better option.

a. if you are making any sort of stealth recording

b. if you misjudge the divide point

You are really screwed if you make the tracks too long (either wear out the jog lever, or spend hours in front of SS , not even an option if you don't have the RH1). Better to have them every 10 mins (or your choice) and press "record" again to force a new mark.

(Edit: I got confused - this is the procedure on a deck, on a portable recorder the way is to press pause twice - see next post)

If it's SP then you don't care as the facilities for editing are far better on a deck. (Again, assuming you don't have the Onkyo HiMD deck, but it's not clear from the architecture of HiMD whether easy division of tracks is even possible without a computer to reencode the file).

[sfbp]

Something new: maybe we are all doing this without thinking about it. If you pause the recorder while recording, a track mark is added. You can do this from the remote. I noticed this in the NF610 manual but I just tried it out on the RH1.

So the only thing you have to do on the recorder itself is the initial RECORD action. But marking in playback only happens with the button on the recorder itself. I have four different remotes and none has a Tmark button.

[Strungup]

The MZ-B10 is the language learning tool , with a track mark button on the unit , built in speaker , built in Mic

Made for lectures , and Language learning specifically .

I use mine a lot .

[baturjan]

Thanks! I didn't know about this unit. Since checking it out, I've learned about the B100 as well. These would be much nicer for language learning due to the physical layout of the devices compared to my M200. The differences between these seem to be:

B10 has SP (though I really don't know how noticeable the quality difference between SP and LP2)

B100 has a remote with TM button, and larger display on unit

B10 built in mic is mono and the B100 is stereo.

I haven't found any used ones in the States. New B10 goes for $250-$300 from a couple places.

[Strungup]

Thanks! I didn't know about this unit. Since checking it out, I've learned about the B100 as well. These would be much nicer for language learning due to the physical layout of the devices compared to my M200. The differences between these seem to be:

B10 has SP (though I really don't know how noticeable the quality difference between SP and LP2)

B100 has a remote with TM button, and larger display on unit

B10 built in mic is mono and the B100 is stereo.

I haven't found any used ones in the States. New B10 goes for $250-$300 from a couple places.

Yeah they are 260 here on average new .( Japan )

The B100 had some issues and isnt as well built as the B10 , The B10 is a tank , very tough little unit .

For learning it is perfectly setup , the only thing missing is adjustable recording level , ( which it does automatically pretty well ) but manual would be nice , as that it is an Educational MD recorder that feature wasn't deemed needed ( I have other recorders for that )