Kona702 Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Hi Everyone, I need some help, I am trying to record a "Pink Floyd Live" DVD to my MZ-RH10 with the optical out from my dvd player. It says "No Digital Copy," which is fine because the disc must have some sort of SCM encoded onto it. My question is: why can I record CD's with no problem unlimited times to MD's with the RH-10, but not a DVD? I have tried multiple DVD players, I have tried hooking up an external sound card to my laptop with a SPDIF out to the MD, I have even tried hooking my laptop up via HDMI to my tv and using the optical out on the tv to the MD but somehow the SCM signal makes it all the way through to the unit. This is the same if I burn an MP3 CD, and try to play it with my sony 5 DIsc DVD/CD changer model NC655P, it also says "No Digital Copy!" I am kind of shocked because I can record FACTORY RELEASED ALBUMS....AS MANY TIMES AS I WANT from the same unit to my RH-10. Why can't I record audio from a DVD? Why can't I record MP3 CD's that I made...but can record copyrighted factory Albums? This makes no sense to me. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE does anyone know a workaround to this? I can record it via analog in but I want the lossless digital copy via optical recorded to HI-MD Linear PCM. Please let me know if anyone has any ideas...or can explain to me the concept behind this copyright protection. I don't understand how it works. Thanks So Much!! Sean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 1. The "lossless" copy is a mirage. You have worse resolution in PCM than you do in HiSP 2. 48000 Hz DVD Audio -> 44100 Hz MD involves a resampling so it's not a bit perfect copy anyway 3. DVD is often (usually, even) more than 2 channels, so that has to be redistributed anyway for (Stereo) MD. The recommended ways of getting around this are: a. buy an SCMS-stripper. Cost around $200. You'll have to experiment with before and after resampling. b. Use some software to get the audio track off the DVD. c. See if you can find a (usually very cheap) DVD player that does not out put the SCMS bits. d. Go optical out from DVD to really good AV receiver and then sample the MD as analog (the MD decks are better than the portables for analog in, I think) using nice heavy gold-plated cables from the Receiver to the MD deck. Sorry. No real magic here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.hoggarth Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Keep a look out for the M-Audio CO3. This does all you need: RCA, S/PDIF and AES/EBU inputs and outputs. Any of the three inputs can be selected, and all three outputs are available at all times. More importantly, the SCMS bit can be stripped, passed through or set. I have just done a search on eBay to try and get some prices, but none are available at the moment. I am sure you could snap one up to £50/$75 dollars eventually. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 As far as recommended strippers go, Bluecrab says this one is OKhttp://www.amazon.com/Behringer-SRC2496-24-Bit-Sample-Converter/dp/B0002E50J0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecrab Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't see any evidence that the RH10 can handle sampling rates other than 44.1. I know that I have never been able to record direct digitally from DVD > MD and I think it is b/c of the sampling rate, as I can't do it even when I do through an SCMS stripper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 p.69 of the RH10 user manual (specifications) says 32/44.1/48 for input. This is common to all MD portables past the very first couple, so I'd be surprised if you were correct. The fact it doesn't practically work is another issue, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecrab Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Ah. That's what I missed. So DVD-A is 48, but DVD is 96?. It is mainly DVD I've had the issues with. So, if I use optical out form DVD-A, run it through SCMS-killer, and record on, say, an MZ-R500, that should work? Portables have the SRC, but decks don't? Is that it? I don't have a DVD-A to test with, but the public library does and they are not far! I did see this reagrding DVD-Video, not that it would be meaningful, apparently, in recording from DVD to an MD deck: PCM: 48 kHz or 96 kHz sampling rate, 16 bit or 24 bit Linear PCM, 2 to 6 channels, up to 6,144 kbit/s. N.B. 16-bit 48 kHz 8 channel PCM is allowed by the DVD-Video specification but is not well-supported by authoring applications or players.'' from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbp Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 You're right. There's a wide range of rates. My amp will show them - maybe your behringer shows input signal rate? Of course if input is 88.2 or higher, md won't cope at all.I know a lot of "normal" audio tracks on DVD are at 48000, but the "high-end" stuff may be at 96, probably for DVD-A as well as DVD-Video. And certainly if it's 24-bit, there's a much better chance the MD won't cope.Decks mostly have the 32/44.1/48 circuitry in them, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THIS SUCKS Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 try to set the dvd player for 44.1k pcm 2 channel stereo output... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kona702 Posted February 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I figured it out. I bought an external soundcard for my laptop with SPDIF out and played the DVD with my laptop. This defeated the SCMS and I was able to record the DVD digitally!! I have another related question. I prefer to record optically from a CD to the MD in HI-SP mode, rather than transfer tracks from sonicstage to the MD. For some reason it sounds better like this to me. I was over a friends house and they had a lot of music on their computer that I liked. So I quickly installed sonicstage on their computer and burned 38 songs to a CD in MP3 format because I didn't have the USB cord for my RH10 with me. When I got home I put the CD in my Sony CD/DVD Changer Model# DVP-NC655P that is capable of playing MP3 CD's. I started the recording with the optical cable attached and the RH10 said "no digital copy." Does anyone know a way around this rather than burning 3 regular audio CD's and recording optically from them? I am baffled as to why I can record a factory CD unlimited times, but an MP3 CD wont record at all due to some kind of SCMS (Serial Copy Management System). Retarded! Does sonicstage encode MP3 cd's with some kind of SCMS? Would the RH10 allow the recording from MP3 CD if I burned them with another program? Or are all MP3 cd's played with a Sony CD player flagged with copy protection to the MD? Anyone's help is greatly appreciated! Thanks for the input, Sean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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