Suggested method for uploading recordings from Hi-MD

[jadeclaw]

1.) It is. On playback, nothing is written to the disc and the disc can be write-protected durting playback.

2.) It can be repeated multiple times on multiple PCs. There is no copyprotection on the resulting files as the usual wave recording programs produce standard Wave files.

3.) It is 1:1.

4.) No. The uploaded music ends up in SonicStage and cannot be written onto an Audio-CD.

5.) Between 3x for Linear-PCM to 7-8x for Hi-SP to 16x for Hi-LP.

6.) It depends a bit, when it happens. Most likely the track on the MD is trashed and no longer playable, not even standalone. In addition, there is NO data on the PC from that failed upload.

[Christopher]

Ok, I'm unstickying this method as the easier [and faster than real-time] aforementioned upload is working now.

[reefbeef]

I am sticking with this method due to it's freedom and accuracy.

I hope people are still offering advice here...

I am using Audacity and when pressing record, I get a mono track. When I open a new stereo track and press record, it automatically opens up a new mono track? Anyone else have this problem? Am I doing something wrong?

[A440]

You have to set it to record in stereo.

File----Preferences---Audio I/O ---change the default from 1 channel (mono) to 2 (stereo).

[reefbeef]

Thanks, A440. I couldn't find this anywhere. Man, this is where all the valuable settings are. Can't believe their online help didn't direct me here.

For playback and recording device it gives choice between 'Microsoft Sound Mapper' (XP OS) or 'Realtek AC97 Audio' (which is the integrated sound card) Is one better to use than the other?

Thanks again A440. Lifesaver...

[marcnet]

I am sticking with this method due to it's freedom and accuracy

hmm... accuracy I give you... My method is not 100% accurate due to the rather hackey cumbersome way it uses DirectShow...

but "freedom"? .. Could you explain more how my method is restrictive in this department? You never know, if its something obvious then I could improve on it :smile:

[reefbeef]

First let me say that I in no way intend to undermine your efforts. It sounds as though you are a brilliant programmer and many are/will be extremely grateful for your program. I will probably be included amongst these people soon after I do some further investigating.

What I meant by freedom is that with this method, we simply use SS to play from the HiMD recorder, and then the stream that it sends to the sound card is read and recorded by TR or Audacity. So we never upload. It is my understanding that we only have one chance to upload recordings and after we do, the tracks are locked on the HiMD recorder (no more editing can be done, i.e., combine, divide).

So with the method of this thread, we reserve the one time upload chance, and retain editing capabilities on the HiMD disc. And still get a digital transfer -- but of course it's real time. This is what I meant by freedom.

This is Sony, not you or your method. I don't think there's a way around this. Do you?

I'd also like to add that it sounds as though your method is rather accurate from the posting others have made. But I record mostly jazz performances (either my gigs or Masters at clubs) and it's such an organic, spiritual thing that if the flow of time is interrupted (ableit probably very minute)...ya know?

But I will try your method once I have a recording that I'm sure the editing on the disc is good enough for eternity and feel confident about uploading it.

Hope I cleared up the 'freedom' thing. And, again, I think you and your method are brilliant. Thank you.

[marcnet]

Freedom as in "Sony are rubbish and appy DRM on people personal recordings" rather than freedom of "MarC's program is sooo, like, retrictive."

I see now. Thanks for clearing that up.

Made me feel better, anway :smile:

[mutant1345]

excuse me but if you use high speed upload to ss and you think that its locked on the player this is not nessisarily true....you now have a version of the file that you can play wwithout the disc, just record the track back onto your player via analog for another chance (unless it was screwed up the first time) and upload it again as if it were a different file

and now you have uploaded more than once (its still real time recording to the player after you upload it but well)

although this is quite pointless in some ways i guess...

[ninjadave]

i hope i don't get flamed for this but i think its a valid question..does this method create a PURE DIGITAL copy, bit to bit perfect, of the WAV file? its not "resampled" by the sound card or any other device?

i'm not sure if the definition of digital copy has been laid out here as i know some people define it differently. my worry is just because its a digital connection, doesn't mean its a bit perfect digital copy if the soundcard is somehow involved....

i'm just a bit cofused on how it works exacty since that dreaded soundcard word is mentioned....it would seem that maybe its not purely digital and that it may be subject to other limits of the system.

thanks for any help guys in clearing this up.

ninjadave.

[[StrangeByte]]

the method using marcnet's program is a pure digital copy, although the file gets transcoded (unless you're using LPCM as recording format). There are currently still (warning: subjective impression) rare problems with "clicks" in the transcoded files, but this has been improved with every new version comin' out.

the method discussed originally in this thread, using playback in ss and recording via total recorder is pure digital, too, assuming your soundcard provides the 'wave' control as source. This is realtime and the file gets transcoded, again if you're not using LPCM (btw anyone already knowing if the transcoding happens in ss or in the unit?)

[CrackBone]

cant u guys make a decoder from atrac to mp3?I mean like make a reverse codec of atrac or smth like that? Coz it has pretty much same structure as transferring from mp3 to wma/wav...

the only problem that is for now, what is the codec structure are they using.

Is PCM an atrac coded file?

[Syrius]

Building an ATRAC-to-MP3 would require having to pry away from Sony's cold, dead fingers the Forbidden Tomes of The Secrets of ATRAC. Highly unlikely. (Correct me if I'm wrong. It was also said that Lindberg would never cross the ocean in his little plane, and lo, he did. :laugh: )

[marcnet]

.oma / .omg files also encrypted (including PCM oma files) ... And noone knows how to decrypt them without using Sony's software

[CrackBone]

yeah, that`s what i`m talkin about, without sony`s secret u cant do nothin...hhm

ill try to search the net about atrac

[Artstar]

Besides which, the greater problem here is the friggin' copy protection. I record a live gig on my old MZ-R50, I decide to transfer it fast to PC and the sonofabitch says that it is unable to transfer the file without explanation. Basically, they're saying "You're trying to pirate sh*t, there's no way we're going to let that happen."

I love the technology that Sony has given us but I wish they weren't so heavily involved in the entertainment industry (as in record companies and movie studios). Maybe then we wouldn't see these bullsh*ite restrictions that screw up our legitimate usage.

At least I can transfer the MD and HiMD recordings I'll be making directly on this unit straight up without issue. But as for any others I may end up doing on my old MZ-R50 for whatever reason, well, it's just going to have to be a case of sticking to realtime transfers from my JA30ES deck if necessary. I've lived 6 years with that method, I'll chug along with only a slight air of disappointment that I couldn't transfer them any quicker than realtime 3#-)

Sony, you guys aren't the only ones with rights. Remember that. Hopefully someone will figure out their protection mechanism and work around the bastard.

[Syrius]

^^^ NetMD/Hi-MD won't upload any file recorded on SP format.

[Artstar]

To clarify ... won't upload any file recorded in MD-SP format. HiMD-SP is not a problem.