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To be perfectly honest, I don't see the value of CD-Text right now since not all CDs have it and even fewer devices support it. For playing newer CDs in newer cars? I guess.

If it gets it from the Internet, that's the "CDDB" function I was referring to--it is not stored on the CD. It takes a unique identifier from the CD (like a serial number, but in this case it's actually the name of the disc volume) and then cross references it with the database on the Internet (CDDB) and then CDDB sends all the information to your PS3. Usually this volume information is read directly by a device. So, your PS3 can use it to retrieve the CD info via CDDB and so can your computer's CD reader--but I don't think the volume information is transferred if you're outputting the CD audio over the optical cable. Does that help?

He's referring to EUROs here, FYI. I agree. Very fair if someone lacks an RH1's unique capabilities and very honest barring any other surprises.

OMG, Aiwa made some pretty cool stuff before Sony bought them, didn't they.

In that case I fall back on bobt's answer--with a slight modification if the intent is to back up your entire CD library. Take a couple of different CDs from your library and perform some tests. If you can hear a difference, use the unit that produced the best result. Some gadgets that look apparently identical on the outside can differ on internal components if they were from different production runs. If this is somehow important to a particular function, it can be well documented in the community and can be distinguished by a serial number difference or a revision number--but that is by no means certain. It's best just to test your own equipment and make your own determination.

He lowered the price again. I think he might actually have no difficulty having someone in France buy it at this price. You have to admit--assuming it actually works with the caveats described (which, to his credit, he disclosed), it's quite a bargain about $139 USD.

Yes, I have read that already--but it doesn't go into enough detail to illustrate your assertions. Actually, it does help me focus what I'm trying to say and also address something netmduser asked earlier. It is true that the physical representation of the data on the disc is not going to be "perfect". If the length of a particular "pit" is within one range it will be interpreted as a "one", and if within a different range, as a "zero". If it is within neither of these ranges, then I imagine it'll be discarded. Though this doesn't really explain how you get silence from that. Sorry netmduser--premature on my part. A single bit does not equal a note in a melody.

I have a lot of older CDs (pre CD-Text extension)--but that's interesting. Thanks for that. Is this capability what Chris is referring to vis-a-vis his PS3? I have to admit I have not. If I can find a way to check this out without spending money on it, I will surely do that. In the meantime, I'll just sit back and wait for Avrin to set us all straight.

You'll have to define "ripping" here for me. If you mean taking an Audio CD and "ripping" it to ATRAC, ATRAC3, ATRAC3Plus, etc--that's all processing time on the computer itself. The audio cd data gets read at the same rate regardless of what format it is being converted to. As far as the rest of your experience goes, I can't say. If I'm understanding you correctly, you say "the original rip was the problem". This suggests to me a single point of failure--the drive that the original rip was done on. Please pardon me if I'm missing something. I'm not trying to be dense, but I feel like I am being dense in this case.

I'm not convinced what you experienced could be considered definitive (i.e. a hopefully rare exception rather than a rule). I'd be more inclined to believe the CD player in your computer or the driver it was using was to blame. This was the promise of digital and if it really fell short in the way you described there would be an uproar.

I was making the assumption that we are starting with discs that have no defects. pata2001 makes the point above about error correction being the exception.

Correct--data is data. Normalization is for output to the speakers (going through D/A and amplification). As far as CD information goes--I don't think this information is stored on the CD at all (at least with the CDs I own). Devices that "pick up the information" use the volume name (often a seemingly random string of letters and numbers) from the CD and check databases such as CDDB and pull down the information from there. This is one of the things I like about MD--titling, album, artist, etc are stored on the disc.

LOL--I was trying to save this poor fellow. Now you've done it.

To be honest, with your budget, I would throw it all into the microphones and use a laptop instead of minidisc. Others here can help you with the microphone recommendations. Then again, others might disagree. It really depends on what you mean by "I want it to sound good" and "but it's mostly for our reference"--two opposing statements.

No, I'm afraid you are mistaken. There is no such thing as "optical sound quality". Differences in sound quality do not occur in an optical transfer of digital data. Differences in sound quality occur in the amplification stage. His question wasn't which unit sounds better by attaching speakers to different units. His question is whether there's a difference if he transfers the music (as data) over the digital cable from each of these units. The answer is there is no difference. P.S. Moderators: Starting with Chris G's new question--can you split off this discussion to a new topic, please? Thanks.

Seriously though, they are all just CD players (regardless of age) reading the same data from the same disc and sending it as ones and zeros over a digital cable. Translation: if none of them are defective, the result is identical.

What if there were no hypothetical questions?

Currently the only unit capable of unrestricted uploads via USB is the RH1/M200. So, yes--barring that, you must use line recording.

My m00se bit your sister.

I'm pretty sure part of the draw for some is receiving it on MD. In fact some would rightly, I think, disagree that the content remains the same. In the immortal words of Marshall McLuhan, the medium is the message.

Od! I dot I deeded do add dat delling do mied dearch, bud id nod nededarry. *ACHOO* *HONK* Sorry, allergies.

*Raises hand* I was lukewarm on him before. I find very little (not nothing, but still, very little) to like in his music. I would not spend money on it in any case; although I might allow some tracks to find their way into my collection of non-purchased music. People are paying premium amounts for those MDs--but not fortunes. I see Pink Floyd MDs commanding higher successful sale prices.

"Technically speaking, bit depth is only meaningful when applied to pure PCM devices. Non-PCM formats, such as DSD or lossy compression systems like MP3, have bit depths that are not defined in the same sense as PCM. This is particularly true for lossy audio compression, where bits are allocated to other types of information, and the bits actually allocated to individual samples are allowed to fluctuate within the constraints imposed by the allocation algorithm." A m00se bit my sister 24 times 24 m00se bit my sister once A m00se bit 24 of my sisters My sister bit a m00se

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...A dead horse by any other name still doesn't smell sweet... When you're talking about straight SP, it is the same Type-R codec as older models. The Type-S designation only improves LP codecs. Doing your own research (repeatedly posting the same question numerous times in different topics is not research) will benefit you in ways you cannot imagine. Do you even know the significance of "24-bit" in this context? I'm sure that you saw it in some marketing drivel at some point and latched onto it. In reality though, PCM requires at least this much resolution--every HiMD unit at least plays PCM. Marketing can be intoxicating--if you do not come up for air, though, people will continue to deride you for it. EOD