hpmoon

Can you definitively assert, however, that the process of saving an ATRAC Lossless file to WAV format, either directly into a file or onto a CD burn, only draws from the low-bitrate share of the file and not the lossless portion? This is a very important distinction.

Can you definitively assert, however, that the process of saving an ATRAC Lossless file to WAV format, either directly into a file or onto a CD burn, only draws from the low-bitrate share of the file and not the lossless portion? This is a very important distinction.

Can you definitively assert, however, that the process of saving an ATRAC Lossless file to WAV format, either directly into a file or onto a CD burn, only draws from the low-bitrate share of the file and not the lossless portion? This is a very important distinction.

Nice to know you use it, but the issue of this thread is track marks passed through the digital bitstream. Does Total Recorder do that? My research does not confirm this.

Thanks, but I use Sony Sound Forge for silence detection paired with Sony CD Architect. Still looking for a better solution that reads the track marks in the bitstream. Frustrating since we know it's there!

Thanks but you're forgetting that whenever a CD player is connected to a MD recorder's optical input, track marks are passed along electronically FROM the CD bitstream, and the MD recorder understands it. (Indeed, even when the music is continuous without a silent break, the track mark gets recorded.) So no, it's not like recording from the radio, and the only question is what PC application "listens" for the track marks that clearly get passed through S/PDIF. I've searched this forum quite extensively and found no answer.

Any advice from anyone on going the opposite direction? How about PC software that "listens for" and responds to track marks sent from a MD's optical output to the PC's optical input? The best I've been able to do is use Sony Sound Forge 8.0's threshold trigger (-50db) to detect pauses.

Anything like this in English? I'm desperate to find an application that can honor the track marks just like my MD recorder did when receiving content via optical digital -- it wasn't based on silence, but rather digital track marks communicated over S/PDIF.

Your question wasn't at all unclear, and I'm dying to know the same thing. Please, anyone? Win NMD won't do the trick because we're talking about non-NetMD material here -- a digital optical output on an MD deck into a computer's digital optical input. I want the computer to listen for track marks on each MD and create a new file for each.

My E-mu 0404 PCI soundcard is supreme, and my understanding is that since it's a pro unit, it's exempt from SCMS. In other words, there are MDs that I can't copy optically to another MD deck due to SCMS, but the 0404 sucks it all in without intervention. Highly recommended (and affordable too -- under $100).

First of all, you are getting a big Hell Yes out of me! The problem you point out is seriously one of the most perplexing in the entire consumer electronics industry. Sony is just being dead stupid, and is making dumb excuses. When I heard that SonicStage 3.0 had been released, I was excited for the very specific reason that I thought Sony would finally recognize Memory Stick Pros (which are MagicGate media), but as we've found out, Sony still does not. The reason? I've tried for months to find out, and have really almost harrassed Sony's Clie and MD support divisions for an answer. After reaching a "Level 2" support manager, I found that the bottom line is this: the executives at Sony's Connect, which controls SonicStage, is at war with the executives at Sony's hardware divisions. It's a dead-end disagreement where the Connect executives want ATRAC-only, while the hardware executives want (and have already implemented) the option of ATRAC or MP3. You would think that the Connect division would have developed their SonicStage software to recognize Memory Sticks any larger than 128mb (i.e., their Pro media) that are nonetheless MagicGate certified (read the label on the media!) -- all that could do is bolster its insistence on an ATRAC-only world. But because the fight is a deadlock, even the Connect division hasn't deployed Memory Stick Pro compatibility. We all know that ATRAC3plus is dramatically superior to the MP3 format, and even superior to Apple's own iPod format -- smaller files and lower bitrates with superior fidelity, and lower power consumption. I wrestled for some time with the question of why on Earth Sony would be so incredibly stupid, and so incredibly stubborn when the engineering task -- to simply recognize a Memory Stick Pro as legitimate -- would be as easy as turning on a switch. Sony does, after all, stubbornly advocate its own proprietary Memory Sticks for media and ATRAC3plus for codec. But after talking to as many Sony employees as I could, I realized that at the end of the day, this problem is the result of a bratty argument between executives at Sony. They should be ashamed, but more practically, they should start paying attention. We're peeved.

OK, then, I'm reading all of this carefully but must be missing out on the fundamental distinctions between the 600 and the 700/800/1/etc. Hi-MD devices. On the latter, recording Hi-MD models, is it somehow possible (today or in the future) to move the music from non-Hi-MD disks, inserted into the Hi-MD recorder, via USB to a computer? If so, why not the 600?

So when I mount the music-filled standard-MD disc via USB, it shows up as a removable drive that's empty? There are no OMA or whatever files to drag off the "drive"? How about hacks to pierce into the "drive"? Did Sony create a way to partition MDs into, on the one hand, their music content, totally f#@!ing protected, and, on the other hand, data storage content, freely transferable via USB?

Responses to: 1. I get the second part of that, and don't care -- respecting that Sony is paranoid about copy management. Glad to hear about the first part. 2. BUT, are you sure you're up on the latest (dare I say the word) "hacks" in this regard? Again, it defies logic that if the MZ-NH600D can function as a data drive, the content cannot be pulled back into the computer, even if that means going around Sony's official platform. As far as I'm concerned, it's not even worth mentioning an analog recording from a headphone jack -- after impedance-matching, noise et al., not an option.

So, the MZ-NH600D cannot record music, but it can be used to store computer data. Also, that computer data can be (of course) transferred from the Hi-MD player to the computer via USB. Technically, then, it's a two-way pipe. According to the latest developments or proposals (from TotalRecorder to HIMDRENDER to TMPGEnc to Sony's promised converter), is it possible in any way at all to: 1. Upload Hi-MD music from the MZ-NH600D to a computer for conversion; or 2. Upload standard-MD music from the MZ-NH600D to a computer for conversion. Any help would be much appreciated. (But please, answer carefully -- I've found in this world that "impossible" is rarely ever true!)