musi_cal Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 Hello Hello, This is my first post here (and I am very very new to MD) so forgive me if I am missing the obvious but is it possible yet to transfer to minidisc in true SP mode or is optical out from my DVD player my only option, I'm stumped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrazyIvan Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 (edited) Hello Hello, This is my first post here (and I am very very new to MD) so forgive me if I am missing the obvious but is it possible yet to transfer to minidisc in true SP mode or is optical out from my DVD player my only option, I'm stumped ←True SP is not possible on 2nd gen Hi-MD. You can record in Hi-SP or PCM. Fake SP is possible via Sonic Stage.*EDIT* I would use the Hi-SP anyway. Edited May 21, 2005 by KrazyIvan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrulesok Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 The only way of getting true sp on minidisc is via real time line in (optical or analogue) recording.As KrazyIvan says hi-sp is an adequate alternative for hi-md. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musi_cal Posted May 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 True SP is not possible on 2nd gen Hi-MD. You can record in Hi-SP or PCM. Fake SP is possible via Sonic Stage.*EDIT* I would use the Hi-SP anyway.←Is Hi-sp as good as recording from the optical out of a CD or DVD player.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breepee2 Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 Recording seems to give better quality than downloading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skmetal07 Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 (edited) Hello Hello, This is my first post here (and I am very very new to MD) so forgive me if I am missing the obvious but is it possible yet to transfer to minidisc in true SP mode or is optical out from my DVD player my only option, I'm stumped ←what unit do u have? u can't transfer sp to a minidisc, and the only way to transfer hi-sp is to use a hi-md unit. (sorry if all this stuff is so confusing) Edited May 22, 2005 by skmetal07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrazyIvan Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 (edited) Is Hi-sp as good as recording from the optical out of a CD or DVD player.?←You cannot use the optical in on 2nd gen units to record in SP mode. The best quality would be Hi-SP. I do not think you can use the digital in for pcm recording. Someone correct me if I am wrong. Hi-SP is 256kbps and so is SP. I have compared the two and to my ears they sound the same albeit I had to use fake Hi-SP recorded on my 600D and true SP recorded on my R900. Edited May 23, 2005 by KrazyIvan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerodB Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 SP has a much higher bitrate than HiSP, Ivan - SP ~ 295kbps, IIRC."Fake SP" transfered via SonicStage will sound like LP2, but take up the same space on disc as true SP. There is no such thing as "fake HiSP" - HiMD units can transfer HiSP from SonicStage/Simpleburner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrazyIvan Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 SP has a much higher bitrate than HiSP, Ivan - SP ~ 295kbps, IIRC."Fake SP" transfered via SonicStage will sound like LP2, but take up the same space on disc as true SP. There is no such thing as "fake HiSP" - HiMD units can transfer HiSP from SonicStage/Simpleburner.←You are correct. I still can't hear the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerodB Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 There isn't much of a difference between Hi-SP and SP - for all intensive purposes they are the same thing.I recall an ABX text thread sitting around here ages ago - the results indicated that SP was slightly superior to Hi-Sp, but that difference was indeed minimal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 SP has a much higher bitrate than HiSP, Ivan - SP ~ 295kbps, IIRC."Fake SP" transfered via SonicStage will sound like LP2, but take up the same space on disc as true SP. There is no such thing as "fake HiSP" - HiMD units can transfer HiSP from SonicStage/Simpleburner.←SP = 292kbps; HiSP = 256kbps. I wouldn't call that "much higher" in any case. SP is more mature than HiSP, but in all honesty, I can't find any serious faults with HiSP under most conditions. That is keeping in mind that both are lossy, and both suffer the same weaknesses [such as pre-echo and ringing problems with extreme transients]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug80 Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 SP = 292kbps; HiSP = 256kbps. I wouldn't call that "much higher" in any case. SP is more mature than HiSP, but in all honesty, I can't find any serious faults with HiSP under most conditions. That is keeping in mind that both are lossy, and both suffer the same weaknesses [such as pre-echo and ringing problems with extreme transients].←True. I've read some reports on Hydrogenaudio.org that there is a difference between Hi-SP and SP on killer samples (castanets, for example) and that Hi-SP performs really bad on them. But, for "normal" music, Hi-SP performs excellent, as is the case for SP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGB2 Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 As you can't record SP on a Hi-MD formatted disc anyway (even with 1st Gen), I don't see what all the fuss is about. Would be nice to be able to record LP2 directly onto a Hi-MD formatted disc though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megnez Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 sorry, guys - it was a bit confusing to me.did i get this the right way?if i want to digitalize my old md's (on a md-formatted disc) i can record it digitally on my hi-md unit in hi-sp mode. then upload it by sonicstage to my computer as wave or oma? so my question is about recording digital... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrazyIvan Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 (edited) sorry, guys - it was a bit confusing to me.did i get this the right way?if i want to digitalize my old md's (on a md-formatted disc) i can record it digitally on my hi-md unit in hi-sp mode. then upload it by sonicstage to my computer as wave or oma? so my question is about recording digital...←Yes and no. You would need some sort of digital rights management stripper ( I know that is not the right term) between the two MD units to record digitally between the two. I cannot remember the exact term for the little boxes that do this. You can record analog between the two units but that may give less than desireable results.*EDIT* once you have recorded into a Hi-MD unit then, yes, you can upload to the computer, but only once. The resulting wave file can be used any way you wish. Edited May 27, 2005 by KrazyIvan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerodB Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 SCMS stripper... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Otaku Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 SCMS stripper...←==slaps zerodB on the wrist== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eMDe Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 "Fake SP" transfered via SonicStage will sound like LP2, but take up the same space on disc as true SP.←Finaly, I'll receive my Rh10 in a few days.But could anyone explain me the Sp feature with the RH10 again? I read a lot about the unit but can't get this thing with "fake-SP"1. After they cut the build in SP encoder out of the RH10. Isn't there any way to get a real sounding and in every older device playable SP on the Disc? unbelievable!!if it's no:2. are NetMD units able to transfer real SP to discs?Thanks for reading my "PC<>MD amateur" question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Low Volta Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 1. After they cut the build in SP encoder out of the RH10. Isn't there any way to get a real sounding and in every older device playable SP on the Disc? unbelievable!!nope, only the (not so good sounding) fake-SP downloaded through SS2. are NetMD units able to transfer real SP to discs?←transfer? As in downloading from SS (or SB)? Nope, same fake-SP as with Hi-MDBUT they can (just as the 1st gen Hi-MDs) record through line in(/mic in) in real SPgreetings, Volta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eMDe Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Thanks Low Volta!That's a shit.will taste that "Fake" so.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerodB Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Don't forget, HiMD does have Hi-SP... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xispe Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 I still record lots of stuff in real sp with my nh700. (in realtime using digital optical output).The quality is great (atrac type-r) and sound just great on my car head unit. SP rocks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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