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Nevermind the protests of people who download albums off of P2P; I find the idea of giving someone else that much control over stuff on my computer scary. There's so much potential for losing entire drives just like that - and don't think that hackers/crackers won't find a way to fiddle with IDE redirection to do just that.

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If it ends up that Joe Consumer can't make a copy of his own music/pictures/novel, you can rest assured that Intel will have its Customer Service Rep lines busy 36 hours a day. Remember the DIV-X pay-per-play and we-are-monitoring-you-through-you-phone-line DVD standard back in the late 90's?

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Glad I own legitimate albums......?

Haha, hopefully this gets around and protests and possible boycotts by consumers will tell intel that DRM is not something they want.

Never mind that. I should be able to copy whatever I want as long as I am not distributing the music and I have the original CD. dry.gif

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If it ends up that Joe Consumer can't make a copy of his own music/pictures/novel, you can rest assured that Intel will have its Customer Service Rep lines busy 36 hours a day. Remember the DIV-X pay-per-play and we-are-monitoring-you-through-you-phone-line DVD standard back in the late 90's?

HEY!, it was cheap, lol. I'm gonna get an A64 anyway, and if you're wondering they probably will only implement this bs in consumer chips, meaning Xeon and Opteron are free of it, and they've got dual-core.

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HEY!, it was cheap, lol.  I'm gonna get an A64 anyway, and if you're wondering they probably will only implement this bs in consumer chips, meaning Xeon and Opteron are free of it, and they've got dual-core.

Not likely.

Windows Longhorn is supposed to be heavy on the DRM and part of the laughably named "trusted computing" concept. Consumer chips will be the target for hardware DRM because of this.

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And once Joe and Jane consumer realize how much of a pain in the behind all that crud is, they'll give MS the finger and find a better solution offered by someone else. Don't think it's possible? Two words for you, my friend: Fire Fox.

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"Microsoft-flavored DRM technology will be a feature of Pentium D and 945"

To me, it's more like a FLAW than a FEATURE.

IMO, this won't deal with MP3s (unless the RIAA gets their dirty hands on it), but more with MS trying to prevent pirate copy of windows. All they need now is a driver and/or some protocol in windows/windows update to verify this hardware DRM to validate the legitimacy of the OS.

As for "consumers don't like DRM," look at how many people are using iTunes/napster music service. Let's face it, the majority of consumers know nothing about DRM. Sure, a few will complain here and there, but the majority will just use it without knowing the true disadvantages. That's why it's important for us, who can realize how bad DRM can be, to educate our family and friends to stay away form DRMed anything.

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I don't mind DRM when its fair. If you lose your PC to a crash, I believe Itunes will allow you to recover your purchased files. And with unlimited burning, you might have a few backups previously made from your library.

Sony, and Walmart on the other hand...

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I don't mind DRM when its fair. If you lose your PC to a crash, I believe Itunes will allow you to recover your purchased files. And with unlimited burning, you might have a few backups previously made from your library.

Sony, and Walmart on the other hand...

DRM has in my opinion never stopped one person from copying stuff...it just made them more inventive/persistant! I wouldn't mind DRM if it could be fair...

Not entirely on subject, but nevertheless an example of what I mean. I don't copy/download anything illegally, but I worked in a bar till recently and didn't want to ruin my precious CD's by letting them be abused by the other personel so I spent a lot of time/money (even though 1 CDR's is very cheap, 200 aren't) just to find out that the very expensive/semi-professional bleeping CD'player wouldn't take anything that wasn't an 'original' CD...even though I had made only personal coppies, for obvious reasons and we did pay our tax for playing music in a public place (SABAM in Belgium)... well, I gave all the doubles away (alert!, illegal sharing of music..."well sorry officer, the anti-copy stuff made me do it!") to friends and classmates (why would I need doubles myself if I can't play them where I need them, and no, I won't keep the doubles at home and let the 'originals' be smudged in a student/livemusic-bar).

And one other thing...the DRM Sony slaps on MY OWN RECORDINGS isn't justifiable, isn't correct, isn't legal, hell it's outright theft! I make a recording of MY own voice in an interview by ME of someone who has agreed to be interviewed by ME and that I will use the information he/she gives in MY Masters Thesis... then why oh why should Sony at any time think that THEY own the copyright to the recording? Yes I know about the "convert to wav, lose all DRM-crap, reimport to SS, download to MD" way. I'm not saying that there isn't a way around things, I'm just saying there shouldn't have to be such a way...

So if they start implementing this brainless all-ppl-are-criminals-and-the-ones-that-are-not-could-be DRM protection method in other sectors like computer chips, they will only push me one step closer to reverting to the pen&paper days...

sorry for my ranting...greetings, Volta

PS: also a bit off topic, but sometimes one hears good news, just as one starts to feel down, so I wanted to share the fun also: "Microsift has been ordered by the EU to remove the coupled WMP from the basic setup of windows... as that is corupting free competition, if they don't, they have to pay a rediculous amount of money each day!" hurray, if only they would take M to court over the IE/outlook express junk or the unused windows messenger liability and any other monopolistic or outright unsafe part of windows...that would make my day!

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I do mind DRM, even when I think it's fair.

For example, take this problem. What if, 10 years from now, Sony goes belly-up and that happens? You can't use a PC for tens of years, so when you're buying a new one, or Longhorn is incompatible with SonicStage, you go Linux/MAC, what do you do then with all your purchased lossy music? You can't play it back, you can't retrieve.... In short: lost of hassle with the strong possibility of no recovery and rebuying.

And what if you decide to buy a new DAP, but a non-Sony (which doesn't support ATRAC) unit this time? You just cannot playback your music anymore.

That's the reason why I currently can't have MD as my single source of music. I have to keep backups somewhere (not only for the sake of qualitydifference FLAC <> Atrac) for future use. It's happened before a system went obsolete (cassette). There are even rumors now that MD will be in a short period of time. DRM only reduces usebility.

I've ripped my CD's to FLAC, which is an open source format, so no one can close it down, discontinue support or what ever. Source code is freely available (so you can keep a copy to have absolute certainty you can play it back in the future) and there's a large community out there developing it free of charge and making it a standard (it's the only lossless format that is supported on tens of portable DAP's and even some stationary components). These files will be playable on computer and many DAPs (though not so many as I'd like to smile.gif) a 100 years from now.

And then if havn't even mentioned the ethics of DRM. When big monopolists shove DRM onto music you paid for and you own, there's something seriously wrong. If they can't show trust in us, why must I show trust in them? Sony has commited their fair share of untrustwothy things to the MD (bad MP3 playback, DRM-ing of your own recordings, putting copy restictions everywhere, issues with firmwares, buggy software which has rendered many ripping hours useless).

DRM == Bad. Period.

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The Low Volta Newbie

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I do mind DRM, even when I think it's fair.

well see this sentence in my previous post:

I wouldn't mind DRM if it could be fair...

the "if it could be fair" actually implies that I don't believe it can...exactly for the same reasons as you state above Breepee2...

DRM = Bad. Period.

yes, as long as they won't find some DRM-method that only and only prevents illegal copying but allows ALL the rest without any creative workarounds necessary or any risk of losing our own property (which they never will IMHO)... you are absolutely right!

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Well, I wasn't exactly replying to your post, just making my own view clear here. Nice to se someone agrees with me though smile.gif

And yes, I agree with you that DRM will never and never stop, or even slow down piracy. There's this Plextor Premium burning which can rip everything. There, all efforts of CD-copy-protections rendered useless. As you may or may not know, pirates (the big groups out there) always use CD's to rip to hi-quality MP3, something that I can't even buy at Connect or ITMS. Crappy 128kb'ish CBR music about as expensive as a CD (which are already not cheap).

Who's using their MD to copy music anyway... With the HiMD's, you don't even can be stopped anymore, just put the MP3's in the data part and you're done.

Nuff said smile.gif I'm going to enjoy my FLAC's now laugh.gif

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Hmmm... not sure how much of a rumour this is, but apparently AMD are about to do DRM too...

Following up on a recent news article about Intel incorporating DRM into their processors; AMD has also jumped on the bandwagon and will do the same.

AMD announced that eight months ago, and more recently announced DRM would be incorporated into its new 2006 lineup. They call it "Presidio."

DRM is akin to a protocol used for eliminating unwanted copying of a licensed file and up to now has only been implemented through software means.

DRM implemented through hardware is nearly impossible to 'crack' (Save for the oh-so-many people that possess a $250 000 Logic Analyzer to determine how to crack it). Many of you may already be familiar with DRM being implemented in MP3's from online services such as Napster or iTunes.

People who want to rebel also lose since Apple, IBM (PowerPC), Sony(PS3, Cell), and Microsoft(XBox360, PowerPC) have already signed on. GG

From: http://warp2search.net/modules.php?name=Ne...ticle&sid=23898

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I'll go ballistic if their Hardware DRM prevents me from copying my legally-ripped music from my desktop to my brother's laptop.

I'm not very computer savvy...I can work with my PC, but won't be opening it up for fun or something...but would chip-DRM only be intended against music piracy? Won't it be also used to prevent software 'borrowing' and stuff, another step to make sure everybody pays for all their programs!

It's high time the opensource movement focusses on hardware tongue.gif imagine that

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Well, when I said ballistic I meant it as in starting a chain of murders of them Intel and MS uber-nerds that designed such restrictive method.

Kidding. I'd never harm another person like that. Now if you excuse me, it's time for my electroshock therapy. KKZZZAAAAT! tease.gif

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i'd say the drm would be more to stop OS piracy. for example i own 5 pcs & two copies of XP - you work that out.

the targeted ones will be from keygens & serials floating around the net, cracked versions of windows & big retailers who use the same OEM install on one hundred systems. as it is now windows checks against a database but only for some updates & can block you from them.

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