Sony_Fan Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I want to copy CDs to my minidisc using the digital output of my DVD player and a optical cable, but there are many different settings on the DVD player for digital output (ex: D-PCM, DTS, 98khz/24-bit). What do these mean and what settings should I use to get the best sound reproduction to my minidisc recorder? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercury_in_flames Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Set it to PCM. If you record optically you shouldnt really have to change an settings i dont think. Give it a try. Best to record via analogue out if you ask me. When i record from a digital out to my portable md recorder, the optical signal is too strong, i.e is higher than 44khz and i get crackling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sony_Fan Posted November 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Set it to PCM. If you record optically you shouldnt really have to change an settings i dont think. Give it a try. Best to record via analogue out if you ask me. When i record from a digital out to my portable md recorder, the optical signal is too strong, i.e is higher than 44khz and i get crackling.Thanks for your input, but my DVD player doesn't have PCM, only D-PCM. I use to record via analogue, but found that digital recording to be more CD like. The current settings on my DVD player are DTS (on), D-PCM, and bitstream @ 98khz/24bit. Is that good enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananatree Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 PCM or stereo would be best, you may get some wierd effects using DTS or Doldby surround. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sony_Fan Posted November 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 PCM or stereo would be best, you may get some wierd effects using DTS or Doldby surround.Okay, let me be more specific. The only settings for digital output on my DVD player are1.) Digital Output (on/off)2.) DTS (on/off)3.) Dolby Digital (D-PCM/Dolby Digital)4.) Bitstream (48khz 16-bit/98khz 24-bit)There is no PCM or Stereo in these settings. What settings should I use for all 4 of them to record CDs onto my minidisc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananatree Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Okay, let me be more specific. The only settings for digital output on my DVD player are1.) Digital Output (on/off)2.) DTS (on/off)3.) Dolby Digital (D-PCM/Dolby Digital)4.) Bitstream (48khz 16-bit/98khz 24-bit)There is no PCM or Stereo in these settings. What settings should I use for all 4 of them to record CDs onto my minidisc?1) on2) off3) D-PCM4) 48 khz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrazyIvan Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I did this via optical out on my DVD player and it would be more headaches than what it was worth. Because of the 48 khz vs. 44 khz the timing would be off or something like that. Sometimes a CD would copy just fine other times I would get wierd track marks everywhere or strange artifacts in the recording. I finally broke down and just bought a CD deck with optical out and never had problems ever since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sony_Fan Posted November 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 1) on2) off3) D-PCM4) 48 khzThanks for the input, but shouldn't it be set at 96khz/24-bit since my Minidisc recorder records atATRAC 24-bit? Or is that something different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananatree Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 You can try, and see if that works. I forgot about 24 bit recordings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerodB Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Shouldn't the MD downsample from 96 to 44 khz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sony_Fan Posted November 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Okay, let me be more specific. The only settings for digital output on my DVD player are1.) Digital Output (on/off)2.) DTS (on/off)3.) Dolby Digital (D-PCM/Dolby Digital)4.) Bitstream (48khz 16-bit/96khz 24-bit)There is no PCM or Stereo in these settings. What settings should I use for all 4 of them to record CDs onto my minidisc?Well, I recorded an entire CD with the following settings:1.) On2.) On3.) D-PCM4.) 96khz 24-bitWhen I played it back on my Minidisc I didn't notice any distortion or skipping, in fact, it was the closest sound quality to a CD i've listened to. My minidisc recorder has ATRAC 24-bit, so maybe that's the advantage. I've recorded and played back music on ATRAC 16-bit recorders and the sound quality is not as good as ATRAC 24-bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Which minidisc recorder do you have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sony_Fan Posted November 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Which minidisc recorder do you have?I have the Sharp MD-MS722. Is the 24-bit ATRAC rare in minidisc units? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrius Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 (edited) CD audio is 16 Bit and 44Khz, and that's what's coming out of the player unless it pads it to 48, only to be de-padded to 44 again. The 24 bit thing is redundant. Leave it at 48/16. While the chip that Sharp uses is a 24-bit DSP, IIRC, the disc is still recording 16-bit words, sampled 44,100 times per second. It sounds better allright, but that's because the little guy packing the audio data (24-bit DSP) is doing a more efficient job at it. Edited November 8, 2005 by Syrius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sony_Fan Posted November 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 CD audio is 16 Bit and 44Khz, and that's what's coming out of the player unless it pads it to 48, only to be de-padded to 44 again. The 24 bit thing is redundant. Leave it at 48/16. While the chip that Sharp uses is a 24-bit DSP, IIRC, the disc is still recording 16-bit words, sampled 44,100 times per second. It sounds better allright, but that's because the little guy packing the audio data (24-bit DSP) is doing a more efficient job at it.Hmmm..I didn't know that. I'll set my DVD player to 48khz/16-bit and see if there is any difference in sound quality. I'm starting to think that these digital output settings affect DVD sound and not CDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I think its pretty hard to keep a 24-bit path unless you use pro gear. I also doubt that you hear the difference unless you've decent source, amp and speakers, all in the right enviroment. Oh and the right pair of ears. I lack the latter myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
culp4684 Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I don't think its really going to matter what you adjust these settings for. A true digital out (optical or coaxial) is always going to send the same signal. Its the amp or receiving component that is going to process that signal. My Denon DVD player has optical and coax digital outputs as weel as hi resolution analouge outputs for SACD and DVD-A. There are also HDMI and DVI-D outputs. It can all get very confusing!You may want to take a closer look at your DVD player manual. I'm thinking that switch isn't for what you think it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aleein8 Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I want to copy CDs to my minidisc using the digital output of my DVD player and a optical cable, but there are many different settings on the DVD player for digital output (ex: D-PCM, DTS, 98khz/24-bit). What do these mean and what settings should I use to get the best sound reproduction to my minidisc recorder? Thanks.D-PCM, this is the only digital format your minidisc will recognize. Happy recording! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sony_Fan Posted November 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 (edited) D-PCM, this is the only digital format your minidisc will recognize. Happy recording!Well, I changed the settings on the DVD player to:A. 1.) Digital Output (on) 2.) Dolby Digital (D-PCM) 3.) DTS (off) 4.) Sampling/Bitstream (48khz 16-bit)I recorded one song and then changed the settings back to:B. 1.) Digital Output (on) 2.) Dolby Digital (D-PCM) 3.) DTS (on) 4.) Sampling/Bitstream (96khz 24-bit)..and I recorded the same song and when I played it back, the second settings (B.) gave better sound quality than the first (A). Maybe I convinced myself they sound better, but there was no distortion or errors on the minidisc, so I'm keeping these settings. Those of you with DVD players, try recording from it with these settings and see if you get better sound quality. Edited November 10, 2005 by Chris G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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