Sony_Fan Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Since most MP3s out there are at 128kbps, it seems almost necessary for Sony to allow this bitrate to be transferable. Hi-LP sound quality is not convincing, but 192kbps and Hi-SP take up too much space. So a good medium would be ATRAC3plus @ 128kbps. Hopefully SS 3.5 or 4.0 will allow it to be transfered. Have any info on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imkidd57 Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 (edited) It's not really clear what you're suggesting. At best, audio data already encoded to MPEG1 Layer III will require transcoding to HiMD standard ATRAC3+ by SS, and there will undoubtedly be a generation loss due to the difference in encoding strategies.The nearest thing to 128 kbps .mp3 would be ATRAC3 LP2 at 132 kbps, and is catered for by SS on legacy NetMD machines. If you think there's something magical about that bitrate and the balance of disc-space versus playback quality, the you could always avail yourself of such a unit. Edited March 17, 2006 by imkidd57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sony_Fan Posted March 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 It's not really clear what you're suggesting. At best, audio data already encoded to MPEG1 Layer III will require transcoding to HiMD standard ATRAC3+ by SS, and there will undoubtedly be a generation loss due to the difference in encoding strategies.The nearest thing to 128 kbps .mp3 would be ATRAC3 LP2 at 132 kbps, and is catered for by SS on legacy NetMD machines. If you think there's something magical about that bitrate and the balance of disc-space versus playback quality, the you could always avail yourself of such a unit.I understand that MP3-->ATRAC3 conversion will result in loss of quality. That's not what I'm talking about. What I would like is to be able to transfer ATRAC3plus 128 to my RH10 without any conversion. This is not possible, not yet. The only reason why I mentioned MP3, is because all MP3 players allow for playback of 128kbps. It only make sense that Sony would allow the same bitrate playback for ATRAC3plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Low Volta Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 yes, but as has also been said already: isn't 132 (LP2) close enough? (only 4 kbps difference you know) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielbb90 Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Yeh! I asked about this beofre! But Atrac3 is lower compression than atrac3plus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poe Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Even though Atrac 3 is lower than Atrac 3 Plus still doesn't change the fact that Atrac 3 132 is really not that bad for listening to on headphones. Suggestion, instead of worring about bit rates or encoding schemes, try lisling to it. Just to clear something up you do realize that you can transfer Atrac 3 132 to HIMD machines? Not trying to insult your intelligence, it was kind of fuzzy wether you knew or not.POE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sony_Fan Posted March 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 (edited) yes, but as has also been said already: isn't 132 (LP2) close enough? (only 4 kbps difference you know)I'm not interested in LP2! I want ATRAC3plus 128 transferable and LP2 is not good enough. I believe that ATRAC3 is not as good as ATRAC3plus because it does not have the "high" recording option. Edited March 18, 2006 by Chris G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Low Volta Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 if you worry about 'high quality'... you really should consider HiSP no seriously, as poe already mentioned (hey I'm really parroting in this thread ) you shouldn't be blinded by numbers/names/settings or bitrates... let your ears do the discerning! So just use what sounds good to your ears. Honestly, I really doubt your ears can discern between A3+@128(high quality) and A3@132 in the setting and with the phones you normally use your HiMD, heck first try to ABX test those two in a good setting and see if you can get significant results (with winABX you can get a publishable outpufile IIRC, so you can always show us the results) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGB2 Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Atrac3+ 128kbps significantly better than atrac3 132kbps?Nah... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauljones52 Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 I dont think they would do this until the connect store music has been converted to atrac3plus format. As everything is still in LP2, people still have an incentive to buy this music because its the only format at this bit rate available on MD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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