drupicula Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Guys!I'm planning to get a new HiMD recorder, because I've found in a local store a pretty cheap RH910 and RH710. But I need to know some things before that:I have a lot of SP and LP2 discs, and I need to download sometimes some tracks from my computer in legacy modes, because I only have older machines. I know a NetMD can do that, but can a HiMD can do that in legacy modes (in other words, work like a NetMD)? Can I title these older discs in my new machine?Can a HiMD machine record digitally (from optical input) a disc in legacy modes (SP, LP2)? And/or using the analog? (You know, hook my DVD player to the MD and just record)I'm planning to replace some of my discs because they're not very good (I hate that f... Samsung/Memorex discs). Can I "move" from one MD to another IN DIGITAL DOMAIN, keeping them in SP? Remember that MD double deck? I need some like the "move" function of that model.I'm not planning to move anything to HiSP or HiLP, or 1 Gb discs.Thanks for any advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylen Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I'm not sure about the RH710, but the RH910 cannot record in true SP, only Hi-SP. Although it can playback SP. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobA Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 None of the second gen units can record in legacy modes (lp2, lp4). You would need a first gen unit (nh600d, nh700, nhf800, nh900, nh1). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriktous Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 But isn't it possible to create legacy discs in NetMD mode with these models? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 But isn't it possible to create legacy discs in NetMD mode with these models? Neither the 710 or the 910 can record natively to legacy modes on the unit themselves. All can create legacy discs via Sonic Stage / Simple Burner in LP2 / LP4 (with discs formatted to the old NetMD mode). Neither model (or any other) can download true legacy SP tracks to the unit through Sonic Stage - only LP2 dressed up as SP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmachine Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Also there's no lossless way to move SP recordings from one MD to another as far as i know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drupicula Posted April 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 So... I need to get an NetMD machine in that case..... And I need to find again all the CDs I've copied on MD.A last question.... Is possible to title completly a MD already recorded with an NetMD o HiMD?Thanks for all your info guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwakrz Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 (edited) If you want to record from line-in in SP / LP formats then you can use a gen 1 Hi-MD or the new RH1. (MZ-NH1, 700, 800, 900. The 600 did not record in some regions).If you only want to make fake SP or LP2/4 discs using sonicstage then any Hi-MD will work for you (Gen2's can only transfer from SonicStage to a NetMD disc, they can record from line-in using Hi-MD discs only).If you want to copy SP / LP recorded discs to your PC then you will need to wait for the RH1 thats due out very soon or use an anologue recording.Yes, you can title an MD within SonicStage using any recorder so far. Edited April 17, 2006 by Qwakrz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Low Volta Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 but even the RH1 won't let you upload legacy discs that were created by USB-downloading (only legacy recordings) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1kyle Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 (edited) but even the RH1 won't let you upload legacy discs that were created by USB-downloading (only legacy recordings)AFAIK USB downloading in NetMD mode never did SP anyway (LP2 and LP4 only) so the RH1 should work. The "SP" isn't as others have pointed out "True SP".You could (if you have access to a shelf unit) copy the MD via Optical out on the shelf unit to optical In on the MD unit. This will work for ALL legacy modes and you can record in whatever mode your MD recorder is capable of.Another solution (again you need an Optical Out) is to record in PCM mode on your computer and then you can import this into SS and then transfer to as many discs as you like.You'll get one generational loss (SP ==>WAV) but if your SP recording is reasonable you'd be really hard pushed to notice this.An RH1 WILL upload Genuine SP recordings not made by SS.Cheers-K Edited April 18, 2006 by 1kyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDX-400 Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 You could (if you have access to a shelf unit) copy the MD via Optical out on the shelf unit to optical In on the MD unit. This will work for ALL legacy modes and you can record in whatever mode your MD recorder is capable of.Another solution (again you need an Optical Out) is to record in PCM mode on your computer and then you can import this into SS and then transfer to as many discs as you like.You'll get one generational loss (SP ==>WAV) but if your SP recording is reasonable you'd be really hard pushed to notice this.In either above method you're getting one generational loss because going from an optical output of an MD deck to an optical input of a recorder is doing the exact same thing, only in realtime. ATRAC --> PCM --> ATRAC.However note that SCMS might inhibit you from doing such an operation making the PC (and copying to WAV) perhaps the only way "out", barring an SCMS stripper.The dual-deck MD recorder Sony made that was referred to by the OP would indeed do ATRAC --> ATRAC lossless copying but it again would be SCMS limited. Also the deck is extremely rare. There are some pro MD decks that are either double decks which do generationless copying or player/recorder pairs which accomplish the same, being pro equipment they would not have SCMS limitations. However these are pretty much just as rare and the price is also very high for pro gear. As for the titling question... Sure just load the disc in an appropriate NetMD unit and load up SS on your computer. Titling is as easy as pointing to the track you want to rename and right clicking and saying "rename" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1kyle Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Hi there - I believe I DID mention that you would get a generation loss but so long as the original recording quality was fine the amount of degradation would be very small indeed - and now you'd have an "Infinitely copyable disc".Using a Computer optical input on a lot of sound cards just ignores SCMS so you shouldn't run into that problem.Another method is to use a DVD player if it has Optical IN and OUT. The Optical Out will strip off any SCSM bits in any case (or at least the most common DVD players will).If you are lucky the DVD player might just route the (optical) signal as a Pass through as people often want to route Audio to separate decoders like DTS, 7.1 or whatever.Anyway we shall soon be able to see what the RH1 is capable of but sneak previews seem to suggest that it WILL upload genuine SP recordings to the computer even if you might have to re-label the music again.Cheers-K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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