Richard44 Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Hello,My first post : )Is it possible to transfer music to PC via an MD drive? I read in the somewhat dated MD FAQ that it's not possible, and was wondering if it is possible these days.Thanks,Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boojum Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 The MZ-RH1 will upload any and all MD's, including those recorded on other MD recorders. It does this digitally, not in a real-time record. And it does it quite nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imkidd57 Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 The MZ-RH1 will upload any and all MD's, including those recorded on other MD recorders. It does this digitally, not in a real-time record. And it does it quite nicely. Unfortunately this is not true for files saved to minidisc via NetMD. As far as I know these remain non-transferrable, even with the RH1.@Richard44: You can upload to PC via a Sony MD-Data drive such as the MDH-10, but you need to buy the software from EDL in Bristol, UK. Also the drive itself is SCSI-2 based so you need a suitable card for your PC, and the drive firmware has to be modified (this is included in the price). Both SP tracks can be then transferred as proprietary ATRAC or transcoded to WAV files in the digital domain. The LP2/4 data needs to be transcoded via a Sony ATRAC3 software player linked to something like TotalRecorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixminze77 Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 The LP2/4 data needs to be transcoded via a Sony ATRAC3 software player linked to something like TotalRecorder.Why would you do that? Simply use the ATRAC3.ACM decoder from minidisc.org, then you can use any player you want. The only thing is that you must extract the embedded ATRAC3 data from ATRAC1 and save it with a wave header as .WAV file.BTW: What Sony ATRAC3 software player do you use? An old one where you must set back the date? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Why would you do that? Simply use the ATRAC3.ACM decoder from minidisc.org, then you can use any player you want. The only thing is that you must extract the embedded ATRAC3 data from ATRAC1 and save it with a wave header as .WAV file.BTW: What Sony ATRAC3 software player do you use? An old one where you must set back the date?I thought you couldn't upload NetMD files either. Never heard of doing it this way. Thankfully I've no NetMD Files. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imkidd57 Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Why would you do that? Simply use the ATRAC3.ACM decoder from minidisc.org, then you can use any player you want.Well that codec never worked for me, I'm afraid.BTW: What Sony ATRAC3 software player do you use? An old one where you must set back the date?This one, and there no nonsense about "set back the date": Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdfreak! Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 So what is the best way(software) to upload/download music from PC to MD these days??I usually just use Windows Media Player or WinAmp and plug the MD to the computer with an analog cable through the speakers plug, I'm feeling like I did something very, very bad now.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 So what is the best way(software) to upload/download music from PC to MD these days??I usually just use Windows Media Player or WinAmp and plug the MD to the computer with an analog cable through the speakers plug, I'm feeling like I did something very, very bad now.......... That works with straight time, but anything net-md and himd you can digital transfer at much higher speed, and with the Hi-MD and es[ecially the RH1 you can upload to the computer digitally as well.HTH Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdfreak! Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 That works with straight time, but anything net-md and himd you can digital transfer at much higher speed, and with the Hi-MD and es[ecially the RH1 you can upload to the computer digitally as well.HTH BobSo, if I have a NetMD unit, which I do, then I could rip MD's faster (more sound quality also?) with a USB connection, right? What software should I use in that case?I'M IN THE DAAARK HERE!!! (...I fell like Pacino in "Scent of a woman") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Low Volta Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 (edited) @ mdfreak! - faster, yes:using SonicStage (if you want to keep an atrac library on your PC) or SimpleBurner (which requires SonicStage to be installed, but then allows you to rip CD's straight onto MD without storing them on PC)- better sound quality, NO:SS and SB do provide SP, but this is actually just LP2 that is sent over to the MD and transcoded on the MD into SP... there simply is no SP-codec for PC, so the best quality you'll get is LP2 if you transfer through USB (and the fake-SP transferred through USB will even be slightly worse as it has been transcoded a second time)so if you do want a faster working MD and better SQ when transfered from PC, look into HiMD and more specifically he RH1 (or the NH700 if you're on a budget) as HiSP is as good as SP and transfers much quicker than realtime over USB but is a HiMD-format Edited January 21, 2007 by The Low Volta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 * Moved to Software Discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Well that codec never worked for me, I'm afraid.This one, and there no nonsense about "set back the date":What is that picture off? Its not sonic stage 1.0 is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imkidd57 Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 * Moved to Software DiscussionRich - any chance you guys could leave a redirect for thread moves..? It was slightly awkward to find this one again...What is that picture off? Its not sonic stage 1.0 is it?No, it's not. It's the standalone ATRAC3 player I use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Rich - any chance you guys could leave a redirect for thread moves..? It was slightly awkward to find this one again...No, it's not. It's the standalone ATRAC3 player I use.Whats the Name of that ATRAC Player and where did you get it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imkidd57 Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Whats the Name of that ATRAC Player and where did you get it?It's an official Sony application, and was given to me by a developer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 It's an official Sony application, and was given to me by a developer.Any advantages over SS? Why do you use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Low Volta Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 one thing that springs to mind might be lower resource-hog... still I haven't checked if the latest SS still hogs my CPU and memory like the first versions did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imkidd57 Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 (edited) one thing that springs to mind might be lower resource-hog...Yep - that's pretty much the reason. The application is only ~850K, and dynamic resources make all the difference between the CPU fan switching in, or not.Mem useage of At3 vs. SS 4.2... Edited January 23, 2007 by imkidd57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Interesting. But as I only use my HiMD for recording, uploading, I don't use SS as a player it would be of limited use to me. Pity. SS uses memory very badly. I assume At3 can't upload? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imkidd57 Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Interesting. But as I only use my HiMD for recording, uploading, I don't use SS as a player it would be of limited use to me. Pity. SS uses memory very badly. I assume At3 can't upload?Uploading means moving from MD -> PC... so no; the At3Player of course won't do that. As I said earlier, the ATRAC3 files are uploaded to PC via an MDH-10. These files can be then played by the At3Player, and transcoded to .wav files at >4x speed by linking to TotalRecorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Sounds slow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imkidd57 Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 (edited) Sounds slow...If you say so. However NetMD recordings at least can be uploaded by the MDH-10, so what's the problem with the speed when this can't be done at all by any current HiMD player/SS combination?May I ask what your point is, in a thread about uploading from MD to PC via an MD drive? I'm trying to answer your particular questions, but everything seems unsatisfactory to you. Edited January 24, 2007 by imkidd57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 That because it is unsatisfactory. The MDH-10 would seem IMO to be only useful for irreplaceable NetMD tracks, where you've deleted the original PC copy, and can't source the original again. Thats a pretty specific use case, that I imagine isn't very common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A440 Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 (edited) Can you upload a copy of the player software? Edited January 25, 2007 by A440 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imkidd57 Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 (edited) Can you upload a copy of the player software?Will do if I can, but I need to check its source and whether it can be released into the public domain. Sorry to appear difficult, but it was given to me in good faith by an application developer. Edited January 25, 2007 by imkidd57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imkidd57 Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 The MDH-10 would seem IMO to be only useful for irreplaceable NetMD tracks, where you've deleted the original PC copy, and can't source the original again. Thats a pretty specific use case, that I imagine isn't very common.Nope, if you read around a bit more you'll see it's useful for many other things, including the recovery of data from damaged MDs, copying and reconstruction of TOCs, surface scanning of MDs, and SCMS bit manipulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 (edited) Nope, if you read around a bit more you'll see it's useful for many other things, including the recovery of data from damaged MDs, copying and reconstruction of TOCs, surface scanning of MDs, and SCMS bit manipulation.I wonder will the original poster find it a useful device based on his query.I've used MD and HiMD for only 3 yrs (a lot shorter then most around here I'll admit) and I've never had to do any of those things it does. What kind of recordings, tracks on a NetMD would be so important you need to do all those things? Broadcast radio of something? Edited January 25, 2007 by Sparky191 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Low Volta Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 NetMD recordings at least can be uploaded by the MDH-10, so what's the problem with the speed when this can't be done at all by any current HiMD player/SS combination?uhm... I don't know if this was a lapsus or something you didn't know yet... but just to clarify something:- NetMD recordings (i.e. realtime recordings made through line-in/mic-in/optical-in) CAN be uploaded faster than realtime, digitally through USB with the RH1 to PC (not mac)- NetMD uploads (i.e. tracks transfered from PC->MD through SS/SB or OpenMG/realplayer etc.) CAN'T be uploaded by the RH1 or any other device generally available for consumersso perhaps this machine has something to offer that the RH1 lacks (uploads of NetMD transfers are possible as well albeit realtime) or it really has already been surpassed by the RH1 as far as I'm concerned (the extra maintenance and repair functions are mostly of no use to me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imkidd57 Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 uhm... I don't know if this was a lapsus or something you didn't know yet... but just to clarify something:- NetMD recordings (i.e. realtime recordings made through line-in/mic-in/optical-in) CAN be uploaded faster than realtime, digitally through USB with the RH1 to PC (not mac)- NetMD uploads (i.e. tracks transfered from PC->MD through SS/SB or OpenMG/realplayer etc.) CAN'T be uploaded by the RH1 or any other device generally available for consumersso perhaps this machine has something to offer that the RH1 lacks (uploads of NetMD transfers are possible as well albeit realtime) or it really has already been surpassed by the RH1 as far as I'm concerned (the extra maintenance and repair functions are mostly of no use to me)Yes thanks for the clarification TLV, and my point of originally posting in this thread concerns your second example.However I am not here to say the MDH-10 is the current Holy Grail of MD transfer, or to point out the shortcomings of HiMD. Some people in this thread have seen fit to make critical statements of 'slowness' and general 'dissatisfaction', but they appear to have very short memories or simply cannot take a history from the repository of information here. Remember that it wasn't long ago that absolutely no MD/HiMD device could upload anything, and some of us who had adopted the MD system since 1998 made the decision to invest in the means to transfer any MD stuff across to the PC to preserve the recordings; because there was no hope that Sony would ever go down that route. It's that simple, and the fact that such a legacy system still yields one advantage over the newer machines is a happy accident for me, and the fault of Sony.Having wrestled with SCMS and disc cloning techniques for ages, nothing made me personally happier than to see Sony relax the DRM as far as they felt able, despite tying it into the purchase of new hardware. I will probably get an RH1 myself one day, but until then I'm content with the MDH-10 and the W1 to copy TOCs, discs, and make backups of the MD/MDLP material. Meanwhile I have an NH1, and stuff the 1GB HiMD with as much content as possible. Some of this is from recordings made in SP on my old JE510. Nevertheless I would like to think I can still post information about what one can and cannot do with standard MD/MDLP, without it being seen as a threat to the supposed omnipotence of HiMD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A440 Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 I would like to think I can still post information about what one can and cannot do with standard MD/MDLP, without it being seen as a threat to the supposed omnipotence of HiMD.I hope you do. There have been a couple of queries here lately about uploading NetMD downloads, and if this is a solution, then that's good to know. Hi-MD won't be omnipotent until it's drag-and-drop. Then...watch out! In the meantime, given all the goofy ways people mess up their MD's--saving the .hma files on a hard drive, wiping original copies off the PC--the more information we have, the better. One person's weird, slow workaround might just be another's lifesaver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky191 Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Nostalgia is all well and good. IMO for a new user, or someone who doesn't want to upload NetMD (or do those repair thingies) a RH1 is a better device. I assume I can still post my opinion too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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